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07-10-2013, 08:50 PM
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Antro and Hainsey Had No Market Value?

Seems to me that since Hainsey and Antropov have not signed with anyone by now, it's fairly obvious that they didn't have any market value at the trade deadline. I'm thinking that Chevy might have tried to unload them for something, but he just couldn't find any takers. Chevy had probably been trying to off load Burmi too, but I'm willing to bet Chevy couldn't find any takers there either.

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Doesn't exactly work like that.
Besides, Antro was injured so couldn't have been traded.

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Impressively flawed logic, even for HFboards.

By the way, Jagr isn't signed yet either. Does that mean the Jets could have got the same return for Hainsey?

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Don't you know that baseless speculation is only valid here when the point you're making is that Chevy/Noel are terrible at their jobs?

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The point is that Chevy couldn't find any takers for them at a price, so he couldn't move them even if he wanted to.

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Some interesting theories that's for sure

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Very very interesting theories...

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The point is that Chevy couldn't find any takers for them at a price, so he couldn't move them even if he wanted to.
Still is a major hole in that logic.

Truth is Chevy would trade anyone if he finds takers at the right price. He's said that before.

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Still is a major hole in that logic.

Truth is Chevy would trade anyone if he finds takers at the right price. He's said that before.
So what's the hole in the logic? You keep saying that but don't explain.

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So what's the hole in the logic? You keep saying that but don't explain.
Players that have not signed with anyone by now <> They didn't have any market value at the trade deadline.

This summer is very volatile, as many, many teams are incredibly close to the cap. Add to that, there are many unsigned RFA's that have to be taken care of.

Personally, I expect to see a bit of a flurry in the UFA market once RFA's get signed, and teams are more aware of where they'll ultimately fall regarding cap space.

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So what's the hole in the logic? You keep saying that but don't explain.
Maybe you could explain to us how you "know" Chevy couldn't find any takers using the assumption that Antro and Hains haven't signed a contract 5 days after FA has started before it's even mid-July.

Guess Jagr, Grabovski, etc aren't worth anything...

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Really?

I'm actually impressed by the leap you made from "not signed" yet to "no value".

Maybe 30 teams have submitted offers worth reviewing. Maybe each player is holding out for term or dollars. I think most posters here who looks at our line up OBJECTIVELY would say we would benefit from at least one of these two players.
Reopen this thread on opening night.

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Players that have not signed with anyone by now <> They didn't have any market value at the trade deadline.

This summer is very volatile, as many, many teams are incredibly close to the cap. Add to that, there are many unsigned RFA's that have to be taken care of.

Personally, I expect to see a bit of a flurry in the UFA market once RFA's get signed, and teams are more aware of where they'll ultimately fall regarding cap space.
Bingo.

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Seems to me that since Hainsey and Antropov have not signed with anyone by now, it's fairly obvious that they didn't have any market value at the trade deadline. I'm thinking that Chevy might have tried to unload them for something, but he just couldn't find any takers. Chevy had probably been trying to off load Burmi too, but I'm willing to bet Chevy couldn't find any takers there either.
Ya, gms were offering all kinds of 1st and second round picks for Hainsey, Antro, Welly, Yuen etc..............at least that seems to be what Jet fans think they were worth. I would suggest that you are close to the mark. They were worth nothing. I would also suggest that a guy like Mike Santorelli was worth more than any of those guys.....but was still worth nothing.

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Last year Semin took awhile to sign with the Hurricanes but he ended up with
$7 million. Some agents have their players wait a bit before they sign.
In Hainsey's case, decent D man are worth money and hard to find. If teams
get desperate his price could go up. I think you have to wait to see what he
signs for before you decide his value.

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Maybe Antro already has signed with the Jets but agreed to keep mum until te RFA deals are done. Otherwise teams could offer sheet our players if our cap space was known.
Just a theory.

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We will find out based on the dollar amounts and term they receive but if I was a betting man I would guess it's somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. Not worth as much as a a lot of Jets poster would have you believe but certainly not worthless.

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I would bet teams were trying to get Hainsey, but Chevy probably didn't get an offer he felt wasn't good enough to let Hainsey go.

As for Antro, my guess is no one was really calling.

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I would bet teams were trying to get Hainsey, but Chevy probably didn't get an offer he felt wasn't good enough to let Hainsey go.

As for Antro, my guess is no one was really calling.
Not disagreeing with you but is Antro's worth that much less than a guy like Handzus?

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Not disagreeing with you but is Antro's worth that much less than a guy like Handzus?
With that contract probably

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You must of pulled something after making that leap.

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Jagr hasn't signed yet. No interest by anyone.

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With that contract probably
at the deadline "that contract" would only have been limiting in the sense of cap space, not dollars paid or "value".


Antro is definitly still a usefull player but yes, at probably half or less of what his previous caphit was.

The one thing i do like about chevy is he seemse quite pragmatic, or at least he comes across that way in his speeches. Even keeled, not married to anyone "just cuz" and isn't set on anyone approach (will do whats necessary to win). I think any jets tradeable if the price is right, i'd guess the price just wasn't right on hainsey. He even said he was upset as some deals fell through but decided keeping hainsey was like getting our "rental"


obviously we went into a tailspin shortly after, but that's beside the point. seemed reasonable at the time.

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Seems to me that since Hainsey and Antropov have not signed with anyone by now, it's fairly obvious that they didn't have any market value at the trade deadline. I'm thinking that Chevy might have tried to unload them for something, but he just couldn't find any takers. Chevy had probably been trying to off load Burmi too, but I'm willing to bet Chevy couldn't find any takers there either.
This is so wrong.

The team couldn't trade Antropov because he was hurt. They kept Hainsey because they were trying to make the playoffs.

Both players still have value. There are lots of very good players who have not signed with anyone yet.

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I think both these not being signed yet proves without a shadow of a doubt that neither one of these guys has a contract in the NHL so far. And nothing else.

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