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07-11-2013, 03:31 PM
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My favourite add of the off-season so far. I do not know if I should cry or laugh

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07-11-2013, 03:32 PM
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Hali! Staying in the division...

He's a good 3rd liner with some scoring upside. Should pot 15. Works hard every shift.

Negatives...not physical, especially for a 3rd liner and not a great passer.

Overall it was a good pickup. We just didn't qualify him based on trying to get bigger and tougher. We were Charmin last year.

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07-11-2013, 03:34 PM
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Apparently it doesn't work like that. If a player is awarded < 3.5MM the team must sign him.
Right, the team can't walk away from an arbitrated contract under the new CBA. So Tangradi's getting a deal with the club one way or the other.

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07-11-2013, 03:37 PM
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So Scouting Report on Halischuk (courtesy of the Hockey News):

Assets: displays a mature two-way game, but with agitating qualities. Is also a natural leader and has a little offensive upside. Can play either wing position effectively and is also a solid penalty killer.

Flaws: his physical style can take its toll on his average-sized frame over time, so more strength is required. May be limited to a bottom-six winger role in NHL, since he lacks offensive consistency.

Career potential: solid, versatile winger.

Sounds like a decent 3rd or 4th line option. After watching Mittens for 2 yrs, I'm ready to try almost anything.

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07-11-2013, 03:42 PM
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I fear we could be making a big mistake if we expect Scheifele to produce offensively if we give him some combination of Frolik, Halischuk, Tangradi as his wingers.
This is the catch 22 that we have faced each of the past two years. Expecting results from players that are saddled with less than stellar line mates. Hopefully we don't see that this year.

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07-11-2013, 04:05 PM
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Well took a deeper look than surface level, mostly due to Truck pointing out some things.

Optimally you want a player to bring two things:
*points (whether that be assists in playmaking or goals in scoring)
*positive possession in outplayin the opposition (whether that be by limiting opponents by being good defensive while pushing the play forward, being superior offensively, or being two-way guy)

The best guys for contributing to the team tend to bring both (Ladd), but you can't expect every player to bring both, because no body is a team of Crosby's or whatever.

The best bottom 6's mix up who they have to have a diverse solid 3rd and 4th line.

Jets bottom 6 thus far:
Tanger brings possession but no scoring
Frolik brings scoring (for a bottom 6) and possesion
Slater brings scoring (for a bottom 6) and as FO specialist will never bring possession
Wright brings the defensive part of possession but not the pushing the play forward bit so if slated beside someone who can push the play forward would be solid possession but currently isn't (thanks Thorburn)
Thorburn brings his nose
Peluso, Scheifele and O`Dell we don't know about


Halischuk brings scoring but no possesion
If he is used right, by placing him with someone who can push the forward, like with a Frolik or Tanger, he will be a solid addition to the team.
If he is used unfortunately, by placing him with lets say Wright-Slater... they may end up in their own zone too much to take advantage of his scoring acumen.


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Apparently it doesn't work like that. If a player is awarded < 3.5MM the team must sign him.
That stinks then you just waive him he will help the ice caps for sure.Seems like we may be building a pretty strong AHL team this year if that's how the new system works.

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I really hope this is a two-way deal.
absolutely - maybe he can help the farm b/c I doubt he's getting minutes with the jets

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07-11-2013, 04:23 PM
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TSN lists him as LW/RW, perhaps he can play both?
That's going to be confusing for the sports writers come award time

In all seriousness though, this will be a solid depth signing and will help determine a regular bottom six.


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absolutely - maybe he can help the farm b/c I doubt he's getting minutes with the jets
He's better than Tangradi, Wright, Peluso, Thorburn IMO.

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He's better than Tangradi, Wright, Peluso, Thorburn IMO.
Depends at what...

Tangradi can still outplay opponents as he tends to be possesion possitive... he just can't score

Wright is good defensively and can diminish scoring chances... he just can't push the play forward and can't create score

Peluso can punch faces...

Thorburn has his nose...

This guy has never brought good possession nubers in being able to push the play forward, however he can score very impressively for a bottom 6er

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07-11-2013, 04:39 PM
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Tangradi can still outplay opponents as he tends to be possesion possitive... he just can't score
Fair enough. I really think Tangradi will impress people this year with a just a tad more puck luck. Honestly I feel Tangradi = Halischuk, or very close, Halischuk has slightly more offense.

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Wright is good defensively and can diminish scoring chances... he just can't push the play forward and can't create score
Offensive black hole is the word I use. That guy is useless in the offensive zone. Rather have Halischuk, other team can't score when the puck is in the offensive zone unless you have Toskala in net.

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Peluso can punch faces...
Not a real skill. And not important, despite what fans might think winning fights means less than nothing. The WILLINGNESS to fight means something, but with Kane, Stuart, Ladd, Thorburn, Slater, Wright I think we are alright.

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Thorburn has his nose...
How can we beat that!

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07-11-2013, 04:47 PM
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Fair enough. I really think Tangradi will impress people this year with a just a tad more puck luck. Honestly I feel Tangradi = Halischuk, or very close, Halischuk has slightly more offense.
Agreed

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Offensive black hole is the word I use. That guy is useless in the offensive zone. Rather have Halischuk, other team can't score when the puck is in the offensive zone unless you have Toskala in net.
Agreed (but I'd add Pavs there)

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Not a real skill. And not important, despite what fans might think winning fights means less than nothing. The WILLINGNESS to fight means something, but with Kane, Stuart, Ladd, Thorburn, Slater, Wright I think we are alright.
It appears fighting does increase scoring from all indications...
Just that it doesn't correlate to who wins/loses the fight or the play the fight came from.
In otherwords, everyone gets riled up from a fight... Sometimes the other team!
Haha which means in a round about way => agree

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How can we beat that!
Impossible. Agree.

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07-11-2013, 04:54 PM
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I guess this is a depth move.

He does not seem to be much of an upgrade from who we have already.

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RW Matt Halischuk signed a one-year, two-way deal with #NHLJets that pays him 650,000 in #NHL and 250,000 in #AHL
He might be in tough to make it with a two way and so many first time waiver eligibles.

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07-11-2013, 05:03 PM
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Are you kidding me? I'm away for 5 hours to get to my girlfriend, cook with her and eat and I come back and Kovy retired and we signed Halischuk?

I was gone for a day too when we signed Setoguchi... I think I've got to get away more frequently o.O


He got a two-way contract? Great! Excellent signing!

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I like the move and love the contract. Good depth move, with upside to provide some scoring punch in the bottom six.

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Two-way deal makes it a solid signing.

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Fair enough. I really think Tangradi will impress people this year with a just a tad more puck luck. Honestly I feel Tangradi = Halischuk, or very close, Halischuk has slightly more offense.
I totally agree with this. I'd love to see him succeed because he has the talent, just needs, as you say, puck luck.

I like the Halischuck signing too.

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Chances of Halischuk being sent here?I'm thinking slim?

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Chances of Halischuk being sent here?I'm thinking slim?
Higher as a 2-way I think, it'll all come down to the Tangradi situation I think.

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My biggest worry with Tangradi was that his useful play seemed to be after Burmistrov was on a line with him. That could just be my mid playing tricks on me though.

OTOH, when I need a spark in NHL 13 I usually put Tangradi on 2nd PP lol..No idea why it works but it does more often than not

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Halischuk Set To Have Shoulder Operation: Matt Halischuk is slated to undergo shoulder stabilization surgery, Joshua Cooper of the Tennessean reports.
(Updated 4/29/13)

To me its a downgraded version of Eric Fehr 2.0
Downgraded Eric Fehr? Halischuk doesn't have the hands Fehr does, but he also comes to play every night and can play in every zone. Fehr is a floater of the lowest order. He has talent but does just enough to stay in the league, Halischuk is actually hard to play against.

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I don't get it...

Samson, Gordon, Halischuk, Thorburn, Peluso...

All 4th line to AHLers who predominately play RW...
Halischuk is better than the rest of them. As far as I know, he can play LW equally as well as RW. He's been farily productive the last three years in the NHL, is solid defensively too. He's very much an NHL player at this point in his career imo.

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