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07-11-2013, 06:48 PM
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So the Russian factor is real? Who knew.

Terrible long-term, great short-term for the Devils. I have full confidence in Lou to right the ship though. They won't suffer for long... which is a bad thing of course

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07-11-2013, 06:50 PM
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Kovalchuk comes out looking like a snake, but if I was a Devil fan I'd be furious at my GM's massive blunder of handing over that illegal contract to someone capable of making this type of move.

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You guys just don't get me :'(

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Honestly, I could care less about you.

He better hope everything pans out in the KHL or he'll be in for a real squeeze, and I doubt the league allows this obvious loophole to go on without any repercussions, so we'll have Kovalchuck to thank for that.
The fact you have to say this means you do care very much about what I've said. Sorry it bothered you. If it makes you feel better I thought this was a lot of fun and what I mean by that is it's nothing personal I come here for fun and debate. I don't think we're supposed to care about each other and hug so I don't know why you keep bringing up stuff like that except I guess I bothered you a lot or something. Who cares if the KHL doesn't pan out for him? He made more than enough money for a few lifetimes. You keep bringing up these points which indicate the game is way more important to life than it is. You may not think that the game is this important to life but your words aren't representing that. Again aside from his teammates and fans not winning a cup (which is a very trivial thing in reality) who cares about this decision? Why is it important or terrible?

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07-11-2013, 06:52 PM
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The point is his "professionalism" doesn't matter. It's a moot point. It hurts his teammates and some fans because they have less of a chance to compete in a game. In this particular profession I can only say "too bad" to those fans and teammates because family and life decisions come before a game and those involved with it
It doesn't matter to YOU.

There are those of us who value integrity & professionalism and would not feel comfortable with ourselves making an serious agreement/commitment that we did not intend to make every effort to HONOR.

Just because you think the NHL is just a 'game', does not mean that those involved in the business feel the same way. It's a career, a profession, and one in which people are paid millions of dollars to deliver on their contractual commitments that they agreed to...

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07-11-2013, 06:54 PM
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Nobody cares about Kovalchuk outside of New Jersey.

How will the NHL ever survive this devastating and catastrophic loss LOL

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07-11-2013, 06:55 PM
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It doesn't matter to YOU.

There are those of us who value integrity & professionalism and would not feel comfortable with ourselves making an serious agreement/commitment that we did not intend to make every effort to HONOR.

Just because you think the NHL is just a 'game', does not mean that those involved in the business feel the same way. It's a career, a profession, and one in which people are paid millions of dollars to deliver on their contractual commitments that they agreed to... Imagine Redden being called into Sather's office and saying, "Sorry Glen, it's just a game. You knew there was a risk in signing me when I agreed to accept millions of dollars a year to perform for your team!"
These days those people are in the minority it seems. Unfortunately.

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It doesn't matter to YOU.

There are those of us who value integrity & professionalism and would not feel comfortable with ourselves making an serious agreement/commitment that we did not intend to make every effort to HONOR.

Just because you think the NHL is just a 'game', does not mean that those involved in the business feel the same way. It's a career, a profession, and one in which people are paid millions of dollars to deliver on their contractual commitments that they agreed to...
It's an agreement that you have an out clause from- retirement. You're allowed to retire.

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07-11-2013, 07:01 PM
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The funny thing is the the Devils are an older team with Kovalchuk leaving.

What assets at forward do they have left?

They have a lot of problems.

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It doesn't matter to YOU.

There are those of us who value integrity & professionalism and would not feel comfortable with ourselves making an serious agreement/commitment that we did not intend to make every effort to HONOR.

Just because you think the NHL is just a 'game', does not mean that those involved in the business feel the same way. It's a career, a profession, and one in which people are paid millions of dollars to deliver on their contractual commitments that they agreed to...
And it SHOULDN'T matter to pretty much everyone. In this PARTICULAR profession the signature on the line doesn't mean much. It represents an exchange of cash fro services in a game. Life, family and career choices trump any decisions made in the name of a game. Again if he was going to continue to get paid the money he's being a dirtbag but he isn't. He left the money on the table. It's a career revolving around a game meaning that stuff like this comes as part of the risk. Professionals in other businesses are forced to take life threatening risks on a day by day basis, they are horribly undercompensated and treated like animals. Again people are placing WAAAAAY too much importance on this game.

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And it SHOULDN'T matter to pretty much everyone. In this PARTICULAR profession the signature on the line doesn't mean much. It represents an exchange of cash fro services in a game. Life, family and career choices trump any decisions made in the name of a game. Again if he was going to continue to get paid the money he's being a dirtbag but he isn't. He left the money on the table. It's a career revolving around a game meaning that stuff like this comes as part of the risk. Professionals in other businesses are forced to take life threatening risks on a day by day basis, they are horribly undercompensated and treated like animals. Again people are placing WAAAAAY too much importance on this game.
It shouldn't matter that much in any profession. If you put your job before your family and your happiness... well, I don't think that's a good way to live.

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07-11-2013, 07:04 PM
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These days those people are in the minority it seems. Unfortunately.
It's about priorities. The irony is the priorities are all screwed up we're holding people on this imaginary pedestal over a game. As someone else said part of the agreement with a contract is if you retire and leave the money on the table then you can walk away from the job. No one is forced to play if they are mentally or physically not willing or able to do so but neither are they paid. I have waaaaaay more problem with what Drury did than what Kovie just did and even with Drury in the end it's just a game so my indignation and anger only extend so far


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It shouldn't matter that much in any profession. If you put your job before your family and your happiness... well, I don't think that's a good way to live.
Wait my argument this whole time has been the job comes second or third to family/life choices. I agree with you. The signature on the line in some jobs counts more though depending on many factors. In this case it's just a game.

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the days of respecting your own signature are waning.

Sad days my friend. Sad days.
Nah pld, Kova did exactly what he was entitled to do according to his contract. You might as well complain on a GM for trading a player. Kova is breaking his contract just as much as a GM is breaking a contract when he signs a player one year and trades the same player the next...

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Yeah sorry, I have those two names cross-wired in my brain, lol.
Lol just had to ask because the devils have Steve Bernier. He's not exactly a superstar so it would've been interesting if someone really cared about him leaving NJD as a free agent

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It's an agreement that you have an out clause from- retirement. You're allowed to retire.
Certainly. But people are also equally allowed to criticize you and think less of you as a professional athlete based on your actions.

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Part of me wants to feel bad for Devils fans, but after a childhood of taking a backseat to their success and hearing it from all of them, they can go **** themselves. You know that Lou will right the ship somehow, and soon.

For now, though, this news is just delicious.

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Can we try and trade them Richards while their still in a fog about this whole thing ;-)

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People are 100% in denial of the real story and problem.

On a free market, Kova -- on of the most entertaining players in the game -- gets 20-30m per in the NHL. With the cap, it's tough to pay someone more than 8-9m per.

15m tax free in the KHL is like 30m in the NHL. In reality the NHL is able to pay its stars like 25% of what they get elsewhere... For how long will the stars play in the NHL for socialist reasons?

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Certainly. But people are also equally allowed to criticize you and think less of you as a professional athlete based on your actions.
As a professional athlete, sure.

As a person... well, I at least have a lot of respect for someone who will walk away from money to pursue happiness. And I question people who expect people to prioritize a job over a life.

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Certainly. But people are also equally allowed to criticize you and think less of you as a professional athlete based on your actions.
Nobody said you can't. Although others like myself are allowed to question why this is important enough to warrant such criticism or whether the criticism is misplaced and overboard.

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People are 100% in denial of the real story and problem.

On a free market, Kova -- on of the most entertaining players in the game -- gets 20-30m per in the NHL. With the cap, it's tough to pay someone more than 8-9m per.

15m tax free in the KHL is like 30m in the NHL. In reality the NHL is able to pay its stars like 25% of what they get elsewhere... For how long will the stars play in the NHL for socialist reasons?
Didn't they say he was going to stop playing pro hockey if he wasn't allowed to go to the KHL?

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Nah pld, Kova did exactly what he was entitled to do according to his contract. You might as well complain on a GM for trading a player. Kova is breaking his contract just as much as a GM is breaking a contract when he signs a player one year and trades the same player the next...
I disagree. There's an understanding whwn you sign an NHL contract that there is a good possibility you are traded. There's also an understanding that you may retire early. I'm not sure there is understanding that you may 'retire' and then sign on immediately in the same profession elsewhere.

But it doesn't really matter, it's done and whether or not it lines up with mine, or anyone elses values is irrelevant

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Love it when sports fans get philosophical about egomaniacal pampered athletes.

The guy wants to go to Russia and left money on the table. **** happens.

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People are 100% in denial of the real story and problem.

On a free market, Kova -- on of the most entertaining players in the game -- gets 20-30m per in the NHL. With the cap, it's tough to pay someone more than 8-9m per.

15m tax free in the KHL is like 30m in the NHL. In reality the NHL is able to pay its stars like 25% of what they get elsewhere... For how long will the stars play in the NHL for socialist reasons?
Agreed with most of what you are saying

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