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07-15-2013, 11:49 AM
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What, you don't like discussing how the maple leafs make the playoffs every single year and that Phaneuf would require all of the big five coming back to grace us with his ridiculous contract for one year?
I would take Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

Won't cost much, being in the last year of his deal, and if you don't give him a letter and just let him play I'm sure he'd be fine.

Plus I'd love for him to bring the pain to Calgary every single game.

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I wonder what one year of Phaneuf is actually worth? You would think that our 2014 1st would have to be in the picture.. I'll bite and try to make a proposal out of it.

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Defensive Prospect (not Klefbom or Marcinin)

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What do you guys think? My reasoning for the value is looking at the cost of rentals over the years, the typical package going back involves 1st round picks, but in this case Edmonton needs to move a D man back, it is just a matter of if Toronto has any interest in Nick Schultz or not..

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@theScore: The New York Islanders have signed Josh Bailey to a five-year, $16.5 million deal. http://t.co/j1oxAMvmvN
I like him more than most here but that seems like a bit of an overpay to me.

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I would take Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

Won't cost much, being in the last year of his deal, and if you don't give him a letter and just let him play I'm sure he'd be fine.

Plus I'd love for him to bring the pain to Calgary every single game.
The only thing that I would be worried about is his attitude in the dressing room.. I am not sure how it is but he seems like a guy that would be a d*ck in the dressing room

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I like him more than most here but that seems like a bit of an overpay to me.
If we're paying Boyd Gordon $3 million, Josh Bailey is underpaid.

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i wonder what one year of phaneuf is actually worth? You would think that our 2014 1st would have to be in the picture.. I'll bite and try to make a proposal out of it.

To tor:
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defensive prospect (not klefbom or marcinin)

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what do you guys think? My reasoning for the value is looking at the cost of rentals over the years, the typical package going back involves 1st round picks, but in this case edmonton needs to move a d man back, it is just a matter of if toronto has any interest in nick schultz or not..
holy effin overpay

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@theScore: The New York Islanders have signed Josh Bailey to a five-year, $16.5 million deal. http://t.co/j1oxAMvmvN
Not sure that bodes well for Gagner negotiations.

If Bailey's a $3.1M player, Gagner's a ~$5M player.

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I wonder what one year of Phaneuf is actually worth? You would think that our 2014 1st would have to be in the picture.. I'll bite and try to make a proposal out of it.

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Nick Schultz
Defensive Prospect (not Klefbom or Marcinin)

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What do you guys think? My reasoning for the value is looking at the cost of rentals over the years, the typical package going back involves 1st round picks, but in this case Edmonton needs to move a D man back, it is just a matter of if Toronto has any interest in Nick Schultz or not..
Seems like a lot for 1 year of Phaneuf. Maybe conditional 1st depending upon if he re-signs.

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If we're paying Boyd Gordon $3 million, Josh Bailey is underpaid.
Assuming we trade Nick Schultz in a package for Phaneuf and sign Fistric:

Phaneuf Ferrence (pain)
Smid Petry (pain squared)
Belov J Schultz (lets pick poppies and daffodils for 15 minutes a game)

Fistric, Larsen (pain cubed)

Is not a bad d corps to move forward with considering there's Kelfbom and Nurse to look forward to in the next 3-4 seasons.

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The only thing that I would be worried about is his attitude in the dressing room.. I am not sure how it is but he seems like a guy that would be a d*ck in the dressing room
I think that's overplayed in the T.O. media.

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holy effin overpay
Not really.

If we get Phaneuf, a top pairing defenseman, that 1st is likely a mid-rounder at best. Schultz is borderline worthless and we've got a fully stocked cupboard on D.

But personally I don't think we should be jettisoning all of our picks in the draft next year so soon. Especially for a UFA who's currently making $6.5M.

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holy effin overpay
Look at any trade deadline deal for a defence man. A 1st plus a bunch of prospects are always going back.

Nick Schultz is a bottom pairing defence man with too big of a cap hit and Edmonton has a ton of D prospects.

1 year of Phanuef is more valuable than 2 months after the deadline as well..

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Seems like a lot for 1 year of Phaneuf. Maybe conditional 1st depending upon if he re-signs.
Repeat after me: "DO NOT WANT PHANEUF ON THE OILERS!"

Also acceptable would be: "DO NOT WEANT THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE ON THE OILERS!"

Seriously, he once played for Calgary and we, speaking as an Oiler fan, got to see him play a lot. He was never all that good.

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Not really.

If we get Phaneuf, a top pairing defenseman, that 1st is likely a mid-rounder at best. Schultz is borderline worthless and we've got a fully stocked cupboard on D.

But personally I don't think we should be jettisoning all of our picks in the draft next year so soon. Especially for a UFA who's currently making $6.5M.
I dont think Phaneuf pushes this team into the playoffs with our lack of forward depth.

Right now we have one healthy center signed with any significant experience.

Looks like we're outside looking in and that first rounder is in the draft lottery.

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I think that's overplayed in the T.O. media.
I was actually referring to his days in Calgary. IIRC I think I remember there being talk of him treating team staff poorly and being a "me first" kind of guy in the room when with Calgary.

I don't know if this has settled down now in TO or just less talked about.

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07-15-2013, 12:06 PM
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I dont think Phaneuf pushes this team into the playoffs with our lack of forward depth.

Right now we have one healthy center signed with any significant experience.

Looks like we're outside looking in and that first rounder is in the draft lottery.
A lot of people (including myself) would argue that Edmonton's biggest problem has been their defence. If you can't get your forwards the puck than they can't score.

Phanuef (or any top pairing guy) bumps everyone else down on the depth chart making the D a lot better.

Phanuef-Ference
Smid-Petry
Belov-J Schultz
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I'll take Phaneuf in a heart beat. He's a top 2 D that brings some much needed physicality.

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I wonder what one year of Phaneuf is actually worth? You would think that our 2014 1st would have to be in the picture.. I'll bite and try to make a proposal out of it.

To Tor:
2014 1st
Nick Schultz
Defensive Prospect (not Klefbom or Marcinin)

To Edm:
Dion Phaneuf


What do you guys think? My reasoning for the value is looking at the cost of rentals over the years, the typical package going back involves 1st round picks, but in this case Edmonton needs to move a D man back, it is just a matter of if Toronto has any interest in Nick Schultz or not..
No thanks.

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Repeat after me: "DO NOT WANT PHANEUF ON THE OILERS!"

Also acceptable would be: "DO NOT WEANT THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE ON THE OILERS!"

Seriously, he once played for Calgary and we, speaking as an Oiler fan, got to see him play a lot. He was never all that good.
He was 11th in something. Go to the trade board and you'll hear all about it.

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I think that's overplayed in the T.O. media.
its not, i have met him more than once and hes always been a dank. and i met him in social settings away form fans and the rink etc. total doosh

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Hey guys I know there have been rumours that Nashville was interested in shipping Blum+ for Smid before he signed for the Wild. I think there could be some interest in Smid still there from our FO. What do you think he would cost? Would guys like Gaustad, Spaling, Ellis, Smith interest you?
blum signed with wild, no?

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There could be some merit around a Phaneuf for Hemsky swap. The Oilers have to add, N.Schultz seems ideal maybe a pick too, but i don't think they should overpay either. They have the kind of team that may be a good fit for Hemsky, Kulemin in particular i think would be a nice compliment to him.

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I would love Phaneuf, but you're not getting him for Hemsky and Schultz. Gotta be a first going the other way I would think.

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There could be some merit around a Phaneuf for Hemsky swap. The Oilers have to add, N.Schultz seems ideal maybe a pick too, but i don't think they should overpay either. They have the kind of team that may be a good fit for Hemsky, Kulemin in particular i think would be a nice compliment to him.
I would do that.

Both players have 1 year left and straight swap would work.

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Phaneuf would cure a lot of what ails the Oilers. Size, snarl, LH shot. Only real downside is the term on his deal. But if I'm gonna shell out assets for basically a rental, I'd do it for a bona fide #1 D over, say, Thomas Vanek.

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I wonder what one year of Phaneuf is actually worth? You would think that our 2014 1st would have to be in the picture.. I'll bite and try to make a proposal out of it.

To Tor:
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What do you guys think? My reasoning for the value is looking at the cost of rentals over the years, the typical package going back involves 1st round picks, but in this case Edmonton needs to move a D man back, it is just a matter of if Toronto has any interest in Nick Schultz or not..
Same question I always ask. Since when are we in a position to trade 1st rounders for 1 or 2 year rentals?

Did I miss something this spring where we made the second or third round of the playoffs and were a player away from perhaps challenging for the cup?

Did just making the playoffs turn into our stanley cup?

Draft the player in 2014 and if we're close to contending.. trade his ass.

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