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Is it easier to score/rack up points in the East?

View Poll Results: Is it easier to score/rack up points in the East?
Yes 92 57.50%
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07-14-2013, 03:57 PM
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The reason the players in the West score less is because they are more tired with all the travel.
Well, if that isn't the strangest reason I've ever heard....

All I can picture is a western player lamenting, "Darn, if only that five hour flight didn't take so much out of me, I could have lifted that puck an extra 2 inches."

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07-14-2013, 03:59 PM
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The issue is more parity in the west. Larger number of competitive teams.

Detroit and Columbus do both add to the east's competitiveness now though. I think both make the playoffs in the east this year.

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07-14-2013, 04:08 PM
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And the Rangers, Bruins, Senators, and Devils are what? Run and gun?

Because of the offensive power the East has their defensive teams get no credit.
After watching the playoffs, the ONLY team in the East that looks like a Western team is Boston.

The Rangers have defensive lapses galore. They have more defensive mistakes in a shift than the Blues, Predators or Kings will have in an entire period.

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07-14-2013, 04:53 PM
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After watching the playoffs, the ONLY team in the East that looks like a Western team is Boston.

The Rangers have defensive lapses galore. They have more defensive mistakes in a shift than the Blues, Predators or Kings will have in an entire period.
after watching the playoffs, the ONLY team in the West that looks like an Eastern team is Chicago.

the rest of the western teams lack skill, speed, and scoring ability.

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07-14-2013, 05:11 PM
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The east has the better individual players, its as easy as that.

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07-14-2013, 05:41 PM
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the east does have more elite offensive players but the west plays a tougher defense first style more often.

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07-14-2013, 08:00 PM
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Well duh. Anyone who says otherwise is probably clueless or lying to themselves.

The Southeast division is a complete gong show and so bad defensively it is embarrassing. Ovechkin certainly isn't top 5 in points if he is in the Central or Pacific.

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07-14-2013, 11:07 PM
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Well duh. Anyone who says otherwise is probably clueless or lying to themselves.

The Southeast division is a complete gong show and so bad defensively it is embarrassing. Ovechkin certainly isn't top 5 in points if he is in the Central or Pacific.
Unfortunately I think most fans of Eastern teams won't want to admit that it's easier to score as they feel it is discounting their teams players scoring accomplishments.

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07-14-2013, 11:11 PM
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Unfortunately, I think most fans of Western teams won't want to admit that the east has more scoring talent, as they feel it is discounting their teams defensive accomplishments.

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07-14-2013, 11:13 PM
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Unfortunately, I think most fans of Western teams won't want to admit that the east has more scoring talent, as they feel it is discounting their teams defensive accomplishments.
First time I agree with zeke;

Sorry guys, but you can't convince me the West has a player like Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, etc. that is being held back in production because of 'superior defense' in the conference.

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07-14-2013, 11:26 PM
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the east does have more elite offensive players but the west plays a tougher defense first style more often.
And it could also be said that they play a defense first style because they don't have the players to play an offensive/speed style. Of course teams like Nashville and Phoenix will play a defensive style because their forwards suck, whereas Western teams like Chicago and Detroit that have speed and skill will play an offensive style and score more goals.

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07-15-2013, 02:40 AM
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When was the last time the East had a better head to head record?
West record vs East

Year, wins, loss, OTL
12-13 No contest
11-12 136-93-41 .504
10-11 142-88-40 .526
09-10 155-87-28 .574
08-09 141-103-26 .522
07-08 83-53-14 .553
06-07 82-48-20 .547
05-06 79-52-19 .527
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Year, wins, loss, ties, OTL [ties was left out of the equation when factoring the winning percentage since both conference's ties are the same number (as should be) and cancel one another out]
03-04 119-102-33-16 .502
02-03 160-109-39-22 .550
01-02 168-118-30-14 .560
00-01 166-117-43-14 .559
99-00 168-106-46-16 .579

year, wins, loss, ties
98-99 139-143-55 .493

Have to go back to 98-99 when west had a losing record vs the east.

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07-15-2013, 04:03 AM
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Easier isn't the word I'd use... well it's the word I'd use but I don't mean it in the same sense as you would assume.

It's not easier to score because the defense and goaltending are substantially worse, it's easier to score because the style of play akin to eastern teams is much more open.

It's pretty inflated by the fact that the majority of the high end scoring talent is out east.

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07-15-2013, 04:27 AM
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Ever so slightly. If you take a consistent 90 point scorer in the West he might put up 3-4 more points per year if his team played in the East. It certainly wouldn't inflate totals by the 10-20% many posters believe it would though.

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07-15-2013, 09:26 AM
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West record vs East

Year, wins, loss, OTL
12-13 No contest
11-12 136-93-41 .504
10-11 142-88-40 .526
09-10 155-87-28 .574
08-09 141-103-26 .522
07-08 83-53-14 .553
06-07 82-48-20 .547
05-06 79-52-19 .527
Lockout

Year, wins, loss, ties, OTL [ties was left out of the equation when factoring the winning percentage since both conference's ties are the same number (as should be) and cancel one another out]
03-04 119-102-33-16 .502
02-03 160-109-39-22 .550
01-02 168-118-30-14 .560
00-01 166-117-43-14 .559
99-00 168-106-46-16 .579

year, wins, loss, ties
98-99 139-143-55 .493

Have to go back to 98-99 when west had a losing record vs the east.
Thank you for proving my point even further.

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07-15-2013, 10:20 AM
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Have to go back to 98-99 when west had a losing record vs the east.
And that doesn't seem to raise the slightest suspicion that there is a different explanation than one conference simply being better at hockey.

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07-15-2013, 11:17 AM
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And that doesn't seem to raise the slightest suspicion that there is a different explanation than one conference simply being better at hockey.
As I said earlier, the top teams are about even in each conference, but the drop off as you go down the standings is much smaller in the west.

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And that doesn't seem to raise the slightest suspicion that there is a different explanation than one conference simply being better at hockey.
that was worded quite differently but sure there are different factors you could bring up.

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07-15-2013, 12:09 PM
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Leafs are about as defensive as they come... as well as Boston, Devils etc.


They allowed a ton of goals to be 'as defensive as they come'.

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07-15-2013, 01:00 PM
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As I said earlier, the top teams are about even in each conference, but the drop off as you go down the standings is much smaller in the west.
I'm going to throw out an un-researched hypothesis: the reason the drop-off is smaller relates directly to the amount of points that Western teams pick up in home games against Eastern opponents.

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Fans in the east don't watch the games played out west so I'll excuse their ignorance. It has way more to do with defensive structures than "star power". Voracek, Kadri, and Ladd are not just near PPG stars who happen to play on eastern teams. Teams in the west simply don't allow enough chances for any run of the mill top line player to be close to PPG. Guys like Tavares, Kessel, and Giroux are not better than every forward in the western conference and would score considerably less in the other conference. The Crosby defense doesn't hold if you look at all the top 100 scorers.

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Not as much as people think.

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First time I agree with zeke;

Sorry guys, but you can't convince me the West has a player like Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, etc. that is being held back in production because of 'superior defense' in the conference.
It's the "etc." that gets me. I have no problem saying Crosby leads the league in scoring (when healthy obviously..) playing in the west. But I also don't think every western conference top line player is 2nd liner in the east. Look at Mike Richards. Still a great player. Doesn't put up points to the same extent because he's focusing on D and facing other teams that do the same.

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07-15-2013, 02:43 PM
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I'm going to throw out an un-researched hypothesis: the reason the drop-off is smaller relates directly to the amount of points that Western teams pick up in home games against Eastern opponents.
You're talking in terms of point standings...I'm talking about quality of the hockey teams themselves. The drop in team quality is smaller as you go down the standings in the west than in the east.

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You're talking in terms of point standings...I'm talking about quality of the hockey teams themselves. The drop in team quality is smaller as you go down the standings in the west than in the east.
Im going to say the head to head matchups favor West primarily because of the awful SE division in the past, and Detroit and Colorado dynasties of the late 90s to early 2000.... mostly.

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