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07-13-2013, 01:07 PM
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If we are not in the play-off picture, he should definitely be traded to get a 1st and top prospect at the deadline.

If we are, you keep him and work on his extension ASAP but it should be for a lower dollar amount.

Tired of letting players of Markov's ilk go for nothing.
Depending on where the team is at come the deadline, this is exactly the two routes I'd like to see us follow.

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07-13-2013, 01:08 PM
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I'm curious how Markov is going to look during a full season, I don't think it's fair to judge him on 50 games after missing 2 seasons due to injuries. If he can regain alittle form (speed) than I'd like to see him extended (at a reduced salary) he's still an elite powerplay QB and an important veteran on the team.

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07-13-2013, 01:11 PM
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Personally, i would start talks with him in january, offer 9 mil/2 years. If he is still looking for close to 5.5+ I would trade him at the deadline.

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07-13-2013, 01:12 PM
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I think the longer, less saturated schedule and the hopefully reduced ice time will help Markov. At the beginning of the year he made some bad pinches, but he didn't look as slow as the end of the season/playoffs. He'll have to adjust, but I'm not scared having Markov play just under/around 20 min. a game.

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07-13-2013, 01:17 PM
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All of you who only want to re-sign Markov at 2-3 million per, you'd be mighty disappointed after we let him go and our PP falls off a cliff and is bottom 10 in the league. Sure his even strength play dropped off, but his vision is still elite and he is a HUGE weapon as the PP QB. As others improve his ES minutes need to dwindle but he will still be a huge asset on this team.

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07-13-2013, 01:18 PM
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I am flabbergasted at the lack of respect for Markov.
Just curious to see who is going to replace him to QB our PP.

Subban was great on PP because of Markov.
Before Subban was there he made Diaz score on PP like never.
Did it with Streit, Souray.

If PK does play with another player on PP, he never gets his Norris.

He did had some trouble on 5-5 in a few games.
But nothing to deserve these comments.

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07-13-2013, 01:21 PM
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I'm curious how Markov is going to look during a full season, I don't think it's fair to judge him on 50 games after missing 2 seasons due to injuries. If he can regain alittle form (speed) than I'd like to see him extended (at a reduced salary) he's still an elite powerplay QB and an important veteran on the team.
You know he played 74 games?

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07-13-2013, 01:28 PM
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Absolutely no brainer . He will be extended. A trade will not happen. People talking about anything else than extension are completely wasting their time.

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07-13-2013, 01:41 PM
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If he is properly managed, he can still be a very effective asset.

We get it, he is no longer able to shutdown top opponent lines like he used to so don't put him in that situation. He can still be effective against lower lines and remains among the best on the PP.

He took discounts in the past to stay in Montreal, took Canadian citizenship and never made waves in the media. I hope a loyal player like him will get a chance to retire as a Hab.
disagree , if this Boston you retire Chara who has won it all or Bergeon who just signed an extenion as the glue guy on that championship caliber team

Markov served us well , but he is no leader , he has never been a great playoff warrior or player and we arent winning with him at 35 and as a shell of his former self we have some kids to phase i n

no disrespect but his time is up

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07-13-2013, 01:49 PM
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I'm curious how Markov is going to look during a full season, I don't think it's fair to judge him on 50 games after missing 2 seasons due to injuries. If he can regain alittle form (speed) than I'd like to see him extended (at a reduced salary) he's still an elite powerplay QB and an important veteran on the team.
He actually played 74 games in 2012-2013. After only playing 73 games between 2009 and 2012. I don't know how people miss how incredible that is.

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07-13-2013, 01:52 PM
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You know he played 74 games?
Thanks professor.

Point still stands, were talking about a guy who was injured for the better part of 3 seasons, 45 games played in 09-10, 7 games in 10-11, and 13 games in 11-12, coming off major surgery. I'd give him another year before trying to unload him.

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07-13-2013, 01:58 PM
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I am flabbergasted at the lack of respect for Markov.
Just curious to see who is going to replace him to QB our PP.

Subban was great on PP because of Markov.
Before Subban was there he made Diaz score on PP like never.
Did it with Streit, Souray.

If PK does play with another player on PP, he never gets his Norris.

He did had some trouble on 5-5 in a few games.
But nothing to deserve these comments.
its not about respect , its about putting a team on the ice to compete for a title one day

yes he quartebacks the pp but he is no longer a reliable 5/5 defender anymore
and no he had trouble 5/5 in many games , down the stretch and in the playoffs we was awful ..

do you see him lasting 82 games and 4 rounds of war in the playoffs ?

cmon think logically , his best days are done , he is still servicable if you are a great team and he can give you 16 minutes night with the right system but when OUR
D IS BRUTAL PAST PK AND EMELIN , keeping him longer term is not the answer

its the same as Buffalo letting go of Reghier , he wasnt the same but can be a nice
4-5th piece of a great team like LA not Buffalo who is rebuilding .

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07-13-2013, 01:59 PM
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I'll see how he plays. I like Markov, helps our PP big time and certainly helped PK on route to Norris.

We have to be careful though, last year was first year he played that much in a while. I'm hoping his endurance is back up to par and we'll be seeing a Markov who can last later into the season. If so, I'd sign him at right price.

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07-13-2013, 01:59 PM
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He's 34 with a LOT of miles. He's in decline for sure and more and more is a PP specialist. He's great on the PP (among the best in the league) but that's about all he's good for now.

2y at 4 is the most I'd give him. But letting him walk for zero is simply not an option.
His value in a trade is questionable though. We will likely be in a playoff position next season, or at least close to it, so selling isn't really an option, and its not like Markov will be bringing back a lot in a trade anyways. It seems to me that this may be a situation where he's more valuable to us than he is in a trade.

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07-13-2013, 02:03 PM
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Let him go. I doubt the Habs will be out of the playoff picture. In my mind, he's done. He has his uses, but not on this team. Nygren and Beaulieu are knocking on the door to help the PP situation.

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Let him go. I doubt the Habs will be out of the playoff picture. In my mind, he's done. He has his uses, but not on this team.
Guy places fourth in defensive scoring in the NHL. He's done though.

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Let him go. I doubt the Habs will be out of the playoff picture. In my mind, he's done. He has his uses, but not on this team. Nygren and Beaulieu are knocking on the door to help the PP situation.
Until Beaulieu or Nygren prove that they can QB a PP in the NHL, I wouldn't let Markov go. This team relies heavily on the PP. Unless you wanna tank again, you don't trade Markov and replace him with a green player.

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Guy places fourth in defensive scoring in the NHL. He's done though.
I said he has his uses.

He's a detriment 5 on 5, he can't skate and he's soft. If the puck isn't two feet or closer, he's not going to go get it. There are young players in the system ready to take over soon.

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I said he has his uses.

He's a detriment 5 on 5, he can't skate and he's soft. If the puck isn't two feet or closer, he's not going to go get it. There are young players in the system ready to take over soon.
Nobody in the Montreal Canadiens prospect system is ready to be fourth in defensive scoring. Not Diaz, not Beaulieu, not Nygren.

When Markov is in the lineup, Montreal wins divisions. When Markov is out of the lineup, Montreal struggles to make the playoffs even if they do.

People are wacky. It's as if they only watched Montreal play between the months of March 2013 and April 2013. Ever.

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It would be nice if he retires a hab. But that does not happen too much any more. It really will depend on how are team is doing at the trade dead line...and what Markov is will to be paid by the habs.

I want him to stay but if were fighting for a playoff spot trading him away for a first round pick would be smart hockey.

I mean I want to win a cup in the near future and having more than 1 first round pick will help the team get there.

When Koivu was here I was more sentimental and wanted him to stay and retire as a hab.

I do not feel that way no more. Hockey is business and both managers and players see that as the true. Players leave there teams every year for more money from other teams so I do not see any loyalty from them and GM trade away some of my favorite playes...so again no loyalty from them.

The bottom line for me is I want to win another cup soon!!!

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Nobody in the Montreal Canadiens prospect system is ready to be fourth in defensive scoring. Not Diaz, not Beaulieu, not Nygren.

When Markov is in the lineup, Montreal wins divisions. When Markov is out of the lineup, Montreal struggles to make the playoffs even if they do.

People are wacky. It's as if they only watched Montreal play between the months of March 2013 and April 2013. Ever.
I never said they were going to get fourth in defensive scoring.

Look, Subban is the Norris trophy winner. He can QB the PP himself. To think Markov is the reason why he had so many points is ridiculous. You don't think Beaulieu or Nygren could pass him the puck for a one timer? ****, even I could.

Stop holding on to the past. Markov is done. Parros could probably skate faster than him.

If some no name like Torey Krug can come in and help turn a PP around for the second best team in the league, I would think the Bulldogs leading scorer as a rookie, or the top Swedish defenceman in the SEL could too.

People are wacky, they watch Markov and think it's 2006.

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Too early to judge. Depends on which markov we get. I'm inclined to say we extend him if I was forced to decide today.

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first of all Diaz is a weak defender as we all saw in the playoffs , he cant be in your top 4 so he goes

Markov 2 firsts cmon .. stop dreaming , with his history of injury anything of value would make sense ...at best a mid level prospect and a low #1

remember we got Eller for Halak after he went ape crap in the playoffs and was 24 with value for the future , Markov is 35 and best days r over

bottom line the Markov era is over folks , time to turn the page and move on

Nathan is his replacement , Dietz will be up one day , Tinordi and others and getting closer to the team

we arent winning a cup or moving to contender status and Markov like Koivu years ago time is up , OUR CURRENT D FROM LAST YEAR IS BRUTAL BEYOND PK AND EMELIN

trade him at the deadline
Makes sense, and definitely explains why we gave up the 4th fewest shots in the league. Thanks for this, I was wondering how we pulled it off.

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Markov has come back at about 80% and every year going forward he will lose more speed. He was a bit over priced last year and he will continue to drop in value. He has a NTC so habs have him for one more year. With Tinordi and Beaulieu needing a few more months, the timing is good right now. Keep Markov until the end of his contract. Markov has his Canadian Citizenship so it's clear he wants to stay. He may want to retire after because of his knees. I don't think anybody will sign him at 5.5 mil anymore. 3 mil max at this point. The problem the habs have is he could be replaced easily with many hab d-man prospects at this point. He has served the Habs well for many years and the Habs have made him a multimillionaire. His time with the Habs and the NHL is almost over.
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I never said they were going to get fourth in defensive scoring.

Look, Subban is the Norris trophy winner. He can QB the PP himself. To think Markov is the reason why he had so many points is ridiculous. You don't think Beaulieu or Nygren could pass him the puck for a one timer? ****, even I could.

Stop holding on to the past. Markov is done. Parros could probably skate faster than him.

If some no name like Torey Krug can come in and help turn a PP around for the second best team in the league, I would think the Bulldogs leading scorer as a rookie, or the top Swedish defenceman in the SEL could too.
Hold onto the past?

January: 8 points in 6 games, three game winners.
February: 4 points in 14 games, rough month points wise.
March: 10 points in 14 games
April: 7 points in 14 games, game winner against Toronto.
May: 1 point in 5 playoff games

This is a defenceman we're talking about here. What past am I holding onto? 18 times this season including the post-season, Markov played more than 25 minutes a game. Who on the team is going to log those minutes and put up those kind of points? Not to mention how every player on the team looks up to him as a leader. And no, don't say Subban because we're talking WHO OTHER THAN SUBBAN.

Nobody. But keep the same mentality that led to Montreal thinking Yannick Weber was going to replace Mark Streit and James Wisnieuwski's production.

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