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07-18-2013, 02:16 PM
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The FA market is different each year according to who hits free agency. The contracts signed by Clowe and Clarkson this offseason have little bearing on next summer with a totally different free agent class. Similar to how the contracts of Gomez and Drury had little influence on setting the market in subsequent years, otherwise every mediocre to above average free agent would have an annual cap hit of around $7 mil.

Regardless, the Clowe and Clarkson contracts aren't appropriate comparisons anyway if Callahan is seeking to extend - it's a different negotiating process when players hit the open market since other teams can drive up the price.

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Cap will likely just go up more and more though. Per cba can't drop below 64.3
Agreed. But that doesn't mean I don't want them to be careful with their cap commitments. The cap went up with during the life of Drury, Gomez, Redden's contracts too.

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6 max, but I'd rather 5
I think six is a maybe, but five you would definitely be saying no to Cally.

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07-18-2013, 02:21 PM
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No, but you certainly replace the individual parts with two signings for that much annually.

Sign a forward who can replace his scoring. Find a forward that can replace his PK minutes and jam/snarl/grind/balls (hopefully this one can come from within as opposed to UFA).
We've been largely incapable of landing role players through free agency, so I'm not sure I'd say that's a viable option. I'd much rather have a guy who can do both than an "or" situation with two filler players. Plus, with the way the market has been going, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who can replace his scoring for much less than you'd be paying Callahan. It's really a mystery box scenario.

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The problem with finding it all in one package is that the second skillset causes the first to depreciate rapidly.
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I know we're all looking at Callahan and thinking about Drury breaking down so quickly, but aside from a pretty flukey hand injury, Callahan has been a relatively healthy player throughout his career. I don't think it's as big of an issue as some make it out to be.

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07-18-2013, 02:24 PM
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The shoulder might be a legitimate concern though now

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07-18-2013, 02:27 PM
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We've been largely incapable of landing role players through free agency, so I'm not sure I'd say that's a viable option. I'd much rather have a guy who can do both than an "or" situation with two filler players. Plus, with the way the market has been going, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who can replace his scoring for much less than you'd be paying Callahan. It's really a mystery box scenario.
I don't know how much it would take to replace Callahan's scoring, but I know it would certainly be less than it would be if you were to try to replace all the secondary characteristics he has.

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Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I know we're all looking at Callahan and thinking about Drury breaking down so quickly, but aside from a pretty flukey hand injury, Callahan has been a relatively healthy player throughout his career. I don't think it's as big of an issue as some make it out to be.
This case is decidedly in favor of "sometimes it does". I actually wasn't thinking about Drury. I don't think Drury played as reckless as Callahan. I think Mike Peca is a better comparable for Callahan. Can you think of a player who was consistently top 3 on his team in hits and blocked shots and held his scoring pace even marginally from ages 32-36?

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07-18-2013, 02:41 PM
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This case is decidedly in favor of "sometimes it does". I actually wasn't thinking about Drury. I don't think Drury played as reckless as Callahan. I think Mike Peca is a better comparable for Callahan. Can you think of a player who was consistently top 3 on his team in hits and blocked shots and held his scoring pace even marginally from ages 32-36?
With AV, blocking shots will be less of a priority. If we give him 6 years and he breaks down after 4, it's still 4 good years. Compared to some of the contracts we've give out, that's still a bargain.

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07-18-2013, 02:42 PM
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Getzlaf, Perry, Giroux, Letang, Bergeron, Rask and now Brown all got max-term on their contracts. I think it's going to be the going rate to prevent your core pieces from going to free agency. The cap is going to go up, and I'd be willing to bet that by year 3 of his new deal, that cap hit won't be so intimidating.

Unless we see a rookie take a huge leap forward next season, we're going to be in really rough shape up front if we let Callahan walk at the end of his deal. For all of the injury concerns, the guy still plays a huge role in our offense. Are we going to find a 25G/50P winger who can be a top PKer and provide the leadership that he does for less than what Callahan will demand? I highly doubt it.
All those players, except maybe Brown, are better than Callahan. But thats not really the point. The point is theres no way I can see Callahan holding up physically for the next 8 years. His career has a shelf life because of the way he plays. I'd give him a higher cap hit than he probably deserves to take less years.

And, for all the talk about Callahan's leadership, Im assuming most of it comes on the ice. Off the ice, he sure seems like he was unable to stop 2 player mutinies over the last 4 years that led to coaches being fired.

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With AV, blocking shots will be less of a priority. If we give him 6 years and he breaks down after 4, it's still 4 good years. Compared to some of the contracts we've give out, that's still a bargain.
Even if the team stopped blocking shots altogether, he's still blocked over 350 shots in his career.

Yeah, I do think 4 good seasons is ambitious, still. Also I'm not sure he signs for only 6.

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I am all for acquiring more toughness for the Rangers. But the question I have is why are the Kings ready to let this guy go? Will he be useful to us? Just my gut feeling, but you don't cut a kid like this loose for no reason.
Kings are balls deep against the cap, Dustin Brown just got a huge new contract, can't afford to keep Clifford. And they probably feel Jordan Nolan makes him expendable (which I don't think he does but whatever)

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Sounds like Brown negotiated his new deal himself:

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Nice deal for a guy that did it himself.

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07-18-2013, 04:05 PM
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All those players, except maybe Brown, are better than Callahan. But thats not really the point. The point is theres no way I can see Callahan holding up physically for the next 8 years. His career has a shelf life because of the way he plays. I'd give him a higher cap hit than he probably deserves to take less years.

And, for all the talk about Callahan's leadership, Im assuming most of it comes on the ice. Off the ice, he sure seems like he was unable to stop 2 player mutinies over the last 4 years that led to coaches being fired.
Better than Callahan? Sure, but it's hard to argue against Callahan's importance to this team being that far off from those mentioned. I wasn't arguing the salary, simply the term. I think 7-8 years is going to be the going rate to retain core players as they hit UFA status. Callahan, despite perhaps having a shelf life, is a core player.

I think it's a bit much to blame him for the firing of two coaches. Players are going to voice their opinions. It's not Callahan's responsibility to defend or blame the coach.

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07-18-2013, 04:20 PM
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A Brown-like deal for Callahan would be catastrophic. Not so much because of the money, but the term. I'd have no problem paying Callahan 5.5 million for 3-4 years, but he's way too much of a risk because of injuries for more years than that.

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07-18-2013, 04:28 PM
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Better than Callahan? Sure, but it's hard to argue against Callahan's importance to this team being that far off from those mentioned. I wasn't arguing the salary, simply the term. I think 7-8 years is going to be the going rate to retain core players as they hit UFA status. Callahan, despite perhaps having a shelf life, is a core player.

I think it's a bit much to blame him for the firing of two coaches. Players are going to voice their opinions. It's not Callahan's responsibility to defend or blame the coach.
I just find it very difficult to agree with the argument of "Well, their (better) core players are getting 8 years, so Callahan should too." Don't get me wrong, Im sure he'll ask for it -- Rangers management would be fools to give it to him considering his style of play.

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07-18-2013, 04:35 PM
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No way I'd go beyond 4 years on Cally. Prefer 3.

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He's 29, no way he's taking 4 years, that's basically kicking him out the door saying dont come back

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07-18-2013, 05:11 PM
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He's 29, no way he's taking 4 years, that's basically kicking him out the door saying dont come back
I agree. But in an ideal world, a 4-year contract w/ a higher cap hit (e.g. 4 years at $6m - which I would still view as an overpayment) would be more ideal than an 8-year contract at a lower cap hit (e.g. 8 years at $5m).

At the end of the day, I think he will be signed to a 6 year term. A 6 year contract will take him to 35 years old, at which point you can re-evaluate his health, his level of play, and determine his final contract from there.

If I'm Sather I go for a 6 year term at $4.75-$5m. And I think that is more than fair for Callahan.

And I know, Clarkson got more than that. But at Clarkson's term and price tag, Clarkson is a terrible contract. We don't need Callahan in his twilight years getting paid $5m+ when we all know his health will be in question. Heck, by the time a 6 year contract expires at the age of 35, he'll probably have accumulated a handful of broken ankles and wrists. Can't gamble with a 7-8 year deal on him.

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I have reservations about Cally beyond a 4-year deal, but I could live with a Scott Hartnell-type deal: 6 years at $4.75m.

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6 years 30m

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If Callahan gets an 8 year deal (wouldn't be surprised), I wouldn't want the first few to be more than his current salary (cap adjusted - so 4.825 cap adjusted) and going down to ~4 mil per the last 2-3 years. Could leave his cap hit around 5 or slightly below. By the tail end of his contract, 5 mil would be around 3.5-4 now.

I'm frankly worried. Callahan's not huge and he scores most of his goals in front of the net on the PP. When he loses that ability, all he'll have left is his speed/PK ability which could very well deteriorate quickly, too.

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For the "well, Clarkson got more" argument, Clarkson's deal is a UFA deal. That alone yields overpayment. Callahan would get more than market value as a UFA, but since he has the "C", I think a deal would get done sooner rather than later on his terms, not the Rangers'. To be honest, that worries me a bit. Even with the cap going up, that may hinder the team's ability to bring other players back.

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I'd take 4 years of mediocre play on the backend of a contract from Callahan in exchange for keeping him and getting the 4 peak years.

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07-18-2013, 06:17 PM
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Sather isn't giving Callahan an eight year contract.

Edmonton has too many D.

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Potter has one year remaining. $800,000 salary. $775,000 cap hit. He can be assigned to the AHL without the Rangers taking a cap hit. The Rangers can use the depth on D in the AHL.

The Rangers have a player to send their way. Asham. Powe. The Rangers swap a contract for contract and save money on the cap.

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I can live with that

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Someone posted a link to a translated article from a Czech newspaper that said Jagr was contemplating between the Rangers, Devils, and Flyers...

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej-...bo-devils.html
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So what to do with him? Jaromir Jagr, while on his official Facebook profile did not disclose any details, according to sports information anyway around it "getting tough." And it is possible that over the coming hours will sign an overseas contract. With whom? In the game, as the Sport reported, mostly with the New York Rangers. If you like you and New Jersey Devils, is not completely excluded or return to Philadelphia. On Tuesday, 41 year veteran on his Facebook (Jagr68) placed a video in which the dark glasses said that his future in the NHL sees black ... It was probably an exaggeration. Star promised during Wednesday illuminates everything, but she did not.
Peace around Jagr but there is only apparent. According to sources, the sport is not excluded that already during the day will be his new employer definitively known. The fact that they might be Rangers, Sport reported several times. And interest paid. Just as shaping engagement with Devils. Both teams have the fiscal space to Jagr - Rangers are 3.3 million under the salary cap, even Devils 10600000.

Rangers give the sense that they are no longer productive European in NHL history worked. And there lived a successful season. Devils again come into play because they are looking for a replacement for Ilja Kovalchuk, Russian scorer, who disappeared into the KHL. Among those interested are joined by Philadelphia. While the central bank does not currently have any financial area, but theoretically could someone vytrejdovat. And thus save some money.

Yet it seems that the future of the number 68 gashing between Rangers and Devils. Watch therefore continue iSport.cz server.

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