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07-14-2013, 04:27 PM
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You can't adjust divisions because the Jays are in a tough division right now, in theory that will fluctuate and perhaps in 10 years the AL Central is home to 4 powerhouses.
Its not because of the Jays, its the fact that 4 teams have over 50 wins. The way it is now, seems like it will happen for many seasons in the future.I'd be saying this if the Jays were in 1st place, one division should not be THAT overpowering . There are some divisions with only 1 team above .500. Add a Tampa or Baltimore to the mix would make things more interesting . My point is,good teams shouldn't miss out on the playoffs because one division holds 1 winner . AL East has 4 teams capable of winning the World Series but only 1 with a potential of 2 are going to be able to make the playoffs.
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Not going to happen.
Not saying it is but it should be thought about. Its the fact that the Jays in last place could be fighting for a playoff spot in other divisions while being under .500 is what shouldn't happen . It should be spread out a bit

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07-14-2013, 04:28 PM
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Jays starters had the 2nd worst ERA in the league at 5.07, only ahead of the Twins.

Absurd how bad they've been.
Scary thought is, four of the five will probably be back next year.

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Not saying it is but it should be thought about. Its the fact that the Jays in last place could be fighting for a playoff spot in other divisions while being under .500 is what shouldn't happen . It should be spread out a bit
Then what happens if another division is stacked? Move again?

Since there are two WC spots Jays could finish 3rd in their division and make the playoffs.

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07-14-2013, 04:31 PM
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Scary thought is, four of the five will probably be back next year.
Rogers will probably be put back in the pen . Morrow has been hurt as well as Happ so our rotation overall will look better next year. You just hope we get better starts from Dickey and Buehrle next season

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Then what happens if another division is stacked? Move again?

Since there are two WC spots Jays could finish 3rd in their division and make the playoffs.
Stacked divisions doesn't happen often, is my point.

2011
Red Sox, Rays , and Yankees all won over 90 games
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Rays, Orioles , Yankees all won over 90 games
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Rays, Orioles, Yankees and Red Sox are "on pace" for 90 wins.

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Rogers will probably be put back in the pen . Morrow has been hurt as well as Happ so our rotation overall will look better next year. You just hope we get better starts from Dickey and Buehrle next season
Dickey - Hasn't shown anything to me that he can pitch well in the AL East. The only thing that may help is he may be injured which is effecting his pitching. My counter point to that is, why is he still pitching then?

Morrow- Too inconsistent and injured. Has great stuff but hasn't thrown over 180 innings in his career. His ERA is over 4.00 too.

Happ - Good #5 starter. Decent ERA but doesn't go late into ball games.

Buehrle. This is what he is. His ERA will be over 4.00 with the Jays. He will pitch over 200 innings though which is nice.

Even if Dickey turns it around, the starters aren't good enough.

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Stacked divisions doesn't happen often, is my point.

2011
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Rays, Orioles, Yankees and Red Sox are "on pace" for 90 wins.
I do agree that the AL East has been stacked for a while but people then will be whining all the time that their division is too tough. The NL Central has three great teams.

Other counter points. What teams would you move? NL teams won't be available because they built their teams with no DH in mind. Can't move west teams because of travel. It creates huge problems.

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07-14-2013, 05:56 PM
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The other one is well over 1000 posts.

Just saw a graphic on the Tigers/Rangers game that the Jays are 34-0 when leading after 7 innings.
What's our record when we don't?

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Dickey - Hasn't shown anything to me that he can pitch well in the AL East. The only thing that may help is he may be injured which is effecting his pitching. My counter point to that is, why is he still pitching then?

Morrow- Too inconsistent and injured. Has great stuff but hasn't thrown over 180 innings in his career. His ERA is over 4.00 too.

Happ - Good #5 starter. Decent ERA but doesn't go late into ball games.

Buehrle. This is what he is. His ERA will be over 4.00 with the Jays. He will pitch over 200 innings though which is nice.

Even if Dickey turns it around, the starters aren't good enough.
You forgot our ace, Josh Johnson

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You forgot our ace, Josh Johnson
Haha ya. Doubt he will be on the team. If he is see Morrow.

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Haha ya. Doubt he will be on the team. If he is see Morrow.
No no, he's leaving and signing the biggest contract for a pitcher in MLB history according to his agent remember?

Man we dodged a bullet not resigning him before the season began. Might have got close to 20 mill a year. I was more excited getting him then Reyes. Almost bought a jersey.

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No no, he's leaving and signing the biggest contract for a pitcher in MLB history according to his agent remember?

Man we dodged a bullet not resigning him before the season began. Might have got close to 20 mill a year. I was more excited getting him then Reyes. Almost bought a jersey.
I was excited for Bonifacio.

Was sceptical about JJ due to his injuries. Thought he was going to pitch good though when he was healthy.

I wouldn't want JJ at 12 million a season. He isn't healthy enough and I believe he is regressing because of his injuries.

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Saying "Insert Clever Title" is about as funny as making fun of people for saying, "Insert Clever Title".

Additionally, this year is a wash. Trade JP and JJ, try and recover some assets from building this core. Next year is the year. This year was never the year.

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Dickey - Hasn't shown anything to me that he can pitch well in the AL East. The only thing that may help is he may be injured which is effecting his pitching. My counter point to that is, why is he still pitching then?

Morrow- Too inconsistent and injured. Has great stuff but hasn't thrown over 180 innings in his career. His ERA is over 4.00 too.

Happ - Good #5 starter. Decent ERA but doesn't go late into ball games.

Buehrle. This is what he is. His ERA will be over 4.00 with the Jays. He will pitch over 200 innings though which is nice.

Even if Dickey turns it around, the starters aren't good enough.
AA should try and ship Beurhle out to an NL team, I could definitely see a team like Colorado that could use another starter to help out being interested in acquiring him. Morrow is what he is, a solid pitcher that gets injured often I question what we should do with him. Dickey you just hope he can iron it out over a while as we invested way (and I repeat wayyy) to much in acquiring him. I would really want to see him ship JJ out the td, try and ship out Beurhle over the summer and sign a FA to replace Beurhle (Garza or Santana) then come back into next year with a spot or two open for Stroman, Romero, Hutchinson, Drabek, Rogers or Nolin.

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DJ Davis is having a great game tonight. 2-2, both hits were homeruns and a walk.

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Another solid outing by Ricky today.

8IP 4H 1ER 1BB 4SO 0EHR

Nice to see that walk rate going down!


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So was it 1 ER or 0 ER?

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DJ Davis is having a great game tonight. 2-2, both hits were homeruns and a walk.


I believe scouts were saying there is some good raw power in that bat.

correct me if I am wrong.

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A dominant outing by Shane Dawson tonight. 4IP, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 9K's. He is a 19 year old lefty who was our 17th rounder drafted out of high school last year. Has 2 walks and 29 strikeouts in 20IP in Bluefield.

A name to watch.

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I believe scouts were saying there is some good raw power in that bat.

correct me if I am wrong.
It's not plus power or anything but it's not like 20/30 power either. I believe they were saying he had more pop than he showed because he had like strong hands/wrists or something like that. Showing good pop right now (2 HR and 5 triples on the season). Speed will ultimately help him rack up those doubles and triples but probably not a guy to hit more than 10 HR or so.

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So was it 1 ER or 0 ER?
He's gotten so good, its 0ER.
But he still sucks, thus the 1ER.


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Another solid outing by Ricky today.

8IP 4H 1ER 1BB 4SO 0EHR

Nice to see that walk rate going down!
Great. To me, the walks is the best stat for him. Command has been a huge issue so if he can pound the zone and control the zone, he can recover. He's been very good the past month or so. Keep him down there.

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Alford has more pop than Davis.

Think of Davis like a 5-10 HR guy while racking up doubles + triples thanks to his speed (like Bourn). Alford has the 15-25 HR potential like Desmond Jennings.

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It's not plus power or anything but it's not like 20/30 power either. I believe they were saying he had more pop than he showed because he had like strong hands/wrists or something like that. Showing good pop right now (2 HR and 5 triples on the season). Speed will ultimately help him rack up those doubles and triples but probably not a guy to hit more than 10 HR or so.


yeah, that is pretty much what I heard as well.

his biggest question is his hit tool. kind of like gose back in his draft year.

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Just checked in to my hotel in Queens, going to the derby and all star game

So hyped, gonna rock Jays gear here to rep the boys back home, my Rasmus jersey is gonna make them *****es jelly

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