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Oilers top 6 vs Leafs top 6

View Poll Results: Oilers top 6 vs Leafs top 6
Oilers fan saying Oilers 81 27.46%
Leafs fan saying Leafs 33 11.19%
Non Oilers fan saying Oilers 152 51.53%
Non Leafs fan saying Leafs 29 9.83%
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07-14-2013, 05:07 AM
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Oilers top 6 vs Leafs top 6

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
HM:Hemsky

OR

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
HM:Kulemin

Which top 6 would you rather have for the next 5 years?


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07-14-2013, 05:15 AM
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Edmonton's top 6. Not close.

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Clearly EDM's.

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Cant vote but ill have to go with edmonton

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Oilers top 6. But I think Toronto might have the best top 9 in the league. Not even joking.

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Here's a good question, which of the 12 players's do you think is the best of the bunch?

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Here's a good question, which of the 12 players's do you think is the best of the bunch?
Right now, Kessel.

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Here's a good question, which of the 12 players's do you think is the best of the bunch?
Right now? Hall.

Going forward? One of Hall, RNH, or Yakupov.

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next 2 years the Leafs.. then i have to say Oilers hands down after 3 years

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Was gonna vote Toronto until i saw next five years..

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Right now, Kessel.
That's fair, imagine if he had a true first line centre to play with.

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I feel if we're talking value, its the Oilers. If we're talking about production, it's the leafs. A lot of the Oilers youngsters are unproven, albeit with high ceilings. They also lack a power-forward dynamic on their top 6. It depends what the OP is asking?

Trade Value- Oilers
Potential- Oilers
Production next year, at the very least- Leafs
Proven Commodities- Leafs
Balanced Attack- Leafs
Production in the Future- Oilers, but when that is I don't know. Hopefully before the core gets their pay-day, if everyone of their core players peaks relative to their ceiling, they'll have a hard time retaining all of them.

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next 2 years the Leafs.. then i have to say Oilers hands down after 3 years
This.

We've already seen how dominate Hall can be, once RNH and Yakupov get going it'll be Edmonton easily.

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LOL. Easy Oilers.

Lock thread pls.

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Here's a good question, which of the 12 players's do you think is the best of the bunch?
Hall easily.

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I feel if we're talking value, its the Oilers. If we're talking about production, it's the leafs. A lot of the Oilers youngsters are unproven, albeit with high ceilings. They also lack a power-forward dynamic on their top 6. It depends what the OP is asking?

Trade Value- Oilers
Potential- Oilers
Production next year, at the very least- Leafs
Proven Commodities- Leafs
Balanced Attack- Leafs
Production in the Future- Oilers, but when that is I don't know. Hopefully before the core gets their pay-day, if everyone of their core players peaks relative to their ceiling, they'll have a hard time retaining all of them.
I meant production/performance wise not value.


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I feel if we're talking value, its the Oilers. If we're talking about production, it's the leafs. A lot of the Oilers youngsters are unproven, albeit with high ceilings. They also lack a power-forward dynamic on their top 6. It depends what the OP is asking?

Trade Value- Oilers
Potential- Oilers
Production next year, at the very least- Leafs
Proven Commodities- Leafs
Balanced Attack- Leafs
Production in the Future- Oilers, but when that is I don't know. Hopefully before the core gets their pay-day, if everyone of their core players peaks relative to their ceiling, they'll have a hard time retaining all of them.
These are silly arguments. What is more proven? Why are the Leafs going to produce more? Balanced attack across the roster or across the top 6?


Hall career PPG: .85, 171 GP
RNH: .75, 102 GP
Eberle: .8, 195 GP
Perron: .58, 340 GP
Gagner: .62, 414 GP
Yakupov: .65, 48 GP
Hemsky: .76, 597 GP

Totals= 1317 points in 1867 man games

VS.

JVR career PPG: .54, 244 GP
Bozak: .56, 238
Kessel: .75, 504
Lupul: .64, 531
Kadri: .64, 99
Clarkson: .4, 426
Kulemin: .5, 351

Totals= 1392 points in 2393 man games

Avg Oiler in top 7= .71 PPG in 267 games
Avg Leaf in top 7= .58 PPG in 341 games

Average Oiler over 82 games would have 58 points, Average Leaf would have 48. Oilers top 7 would combined, on average, score about 406 points over a season, Leafs would average 336.

It's not like the Leafs are significantly more *experienced* than the Oilers. They're on average about one season more experienced, but they're significantly less talented offensively. There's no comparison here.

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Last 2 Years:

W P.Kessel (26): 130gms, 57gls, 134pts, 28ht, 44bk, 19:57 (82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 18ht, 28bk)
W T.Hall (22): 106gms, 43gls, 103pts, 68ht, 54bk, 18:28 (82gms, 33gls, 80pts, 53ht, 42bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 141ht, 32bk, 18:07 (82gms, 36gls, 85pts, 141ht, 32bk)
W J.Eberle (23): 126gms, 50gls, 113pts, 76ht, 40bk, 18:07 (82gms, 33gls, 74pts, 50ht, 26bk)

C N.Kadri (23): 69gms, 23gls, 51pts, 87ht, 27bk, 15:29 (82gms, 27gls, 61pts, 103ht, 32bk)
C R.N-Hopkins (20): 102gms, 22gls, 76pts, 65ht, 60bk, 18:06 (82gms, 18gls, 61pts, 52ht, 48bk)

C T.Bozak (27): 119gms, 30gls, 75pts, 182ht, 57bk, 19:41 (82gms, 21gls, 52pts, 125ht, 39bk)
C S.Gagner (24): 123gms, 32gls, 85pts, 56ht, 45bk, 18:01 (82gms, 21gls, 57pts, 37ht, 30bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 91gms, 29gls, 56pts, 92ht, 33bk, 17:15 (82gms, 26gls, 51pts, 83ht, 30bk)
W N.Yakupov (20): 48gms, 17gls, 31pts, 41ht, 14bk, 14:34 (82gms, 29gls, 53pts, 70ht, 24bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 128gms, 45gls, 70pts, 253ht, 25bk, 16:50 (82gms, 29gls, 45pts, 162ht, 16bk)
W D.Perron (25): 105gms, 31gls, 67pts, 80ht, 24bk, 18:10 (82gms, 24gls, 52pts, 63ht, 19bk)

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I feel if we're talking value, its the Oilers. If we're talking about production, it's the leafs. A lot of the Oilers youngsters are unproven, albeit with high ceilings. They also lack a power-forward dynamic on their top 6. It depends what the OP is asking?

Trade Value- Oilers
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Production next year, at the very least- Leafs
Proven Commodities- Leafs
Balanced Attack- Leafs
Production in the Future- Oilers, but when that is I don't know. Hopefully before the core gets their pay-day, if everyone of their core players peaks relative to their ceiling, they'll have a hard time retaining all of them.
this. leafs offense has been significantly better than the oilers offense the past few years.

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Oilers quite easily. Leafs were better last season for sure, but if even one of RNH/Yakupov break out like Hall/Eberle next season, which is entirely possible, it's going to be the Oilers by a noticable margin. If both break out, it's not even going to be debatable.

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Here's a good question, which of the 12 players's do you think is the best of the bunch?
Kessel or Lupul. The Oil top 6 is missing leadership and sandpaper like Lupes, Clarkson, Kadri and JVR the Leafs now have and that most winning teams have. Sharp/Hossa, Lucic/Horton, etc etc. But everyone obviously knows this and Mac T went hard after Clarkson.

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I'd easily pick Edmonton's top 6 over the next 5 years.

If it was JUST for next year, I'd pick Toronto's. They are a BIT more experienced, and probably going to be the better top 6 for the next year (maybe 2).

But Edmonton's top 6 just has SO much potential and star power, that in a few years they are gonna be killer with some of their top six gaining more experience and leadership.

That said, a system and coach make a HUGE difference and I think that is where a strength lies with Toronto.

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Voted Toronto then saw next five years and would change my vote.

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Toronto's for the next five.

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