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07-14-2013, 01:54 PM
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[#1] HFStars 2013 Top 20 Prospects - #1 Prospect Discussion

Gonna go ahead and try to do this as similarly to the way piqued did it last year, as that seemed very successful and generated a lot of great discussion.

If you don't remember, we'll have the discussion thread for #1 with no voting first. The next thread will be voting for the #1 prospect and discussion about the #2, and so on until we get all 20 filled out. Depending on how things go, I wouldn't be opposed to going to #25 since the pool is so deep now and the last several prospect rankings are usually quite ambiguous, but for now it'll stay at just a Top 20.

So here, you'll make your case for your #1 prospect (this one should be fairly easy to figure out, though). I'd prefer to have a separate thread for your own complete Top 20 prospects, but they can be posted here as well if you choose to do so.

I've got my Top 20 all figured out, and it just amazes me at how deep and talented the pool is now form #1 to #20. It truly is an exciting time to be a Stars' fan, not just in terms of our prospects, but looking at the NHL roster as well. A new owner, a new GM, a new coach, new jerseys, a legitimate #1 center, arguably the best prospect we've had since Modano... There's so much to look forward to, so much to be excited about. For the first time since 2008, I'm proud to call myself a Stars' fan, and I hope most of you all feel the same way.

Just for reference, here's what we agreed upon last year as the Top 20:

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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
37.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
2
48.0
3
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
2
57.1
4
 ‏‏‏‏Radek Faksa
C
2012
1st
new
73.5
5
 ‏‏‏‏Brenden Dillon
D
2011
FA
7
43.9
6
 ‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
2
38.5
7
 ‏‏‏‏Cody Eakin
C
2012
TR
new
52.3
8
 ‏‏‏‏Reilly Smith
W
2009
3rd
1
34.0
9
 ‏‏‏‏Matt Fraser
LW
2010
FA
9
50.0
10
 ‏‏‏‏Scott Glennie
C/W
2009
1st
7
54.3
11
 ‏‏‏‏Matej Stransky
RW
2011
6th
10
50.0
12
 ‏‏‏‏Brett Ritchie
RW
2011
2nd
1
40.0
13
 ‏‏‏‏Ludvig Bystrom
D
2012
2nd
new
52.8
14
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Guptill
LW
2010
3rd
7
75.0
15
 ‏‏‏‏Emil Molin
C
2011
4th
0
53.3
16
 ‏‏‏‏Austin Smith
RW
2007
5th
5
62.5
17
 ‏‏‏‏Colton Sceviour
C/W
2007
4th
1
28.6
18
 ‏‏‏‏Devin Shore
C
2012
2nd
new
41.2
19
 ‏‏‏‏John Klingberg
D
2010
5th
9
43.6
20
 ‏‏‏‏Mike Winther
C/W
2012
2nd
new
43.3

Dillon and Eakin have both graduated in my opinion, so they'll be left out of the voting. Both are NHL regulars now, even though they still meet the HF criteria.

So without further ado, let's begin.



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Nemeth ahead of Eakin, Glennie ahead of Ritchie.. o boy o boy ;D

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#1 is pretty much a formality at this point.

We all know who it is - Sinitsyn.

Oh I mean Nichushkin, of course.

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You forgot the poll.

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You forgot the poll.
Not supposed to be there. Doing it like piqued did last year.

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Ritchie at 12 looks really bad in hindsight. Austin Smith on at all really is. Faska is too high and will Glennie ever graduate? That's what I take from this list.

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Ah yes, separating discussion from the actual poll. I remember now.

#1 would really be between Nichushkin and Campbell. The only other player that is close is Oleksiak. So I'd say top 3 is easily Nichushkin, Campell, and Oleksiak.

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It truly is an exciting time to be a Stars' fan, not just in terms of our prospects, but looking at the NHL roster as well. A new owner, a new GM, a new coach, new jerseys, a legitimate #1 center, arguably the best prospect we've had since Modano... There's so much to look forward to, so much to be excited about.
Well said!

You forgot one of the most important things though. A new division!

The Russian gets top nods from me, followed by Soup and Big O.

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Nichushkin will almost certainly get 9 games in Dallas this year and Campbell is road blocked behind one of the best goalies in the world. Gotta go with the Russian.

Amazing pool of young players ... the job Nieuwendyk did here looks better and better ...

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This is going to be a very different looking list this year I think.

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#1 is nichuskin

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nichuskin no doubt!

Yeah im very excited with everything right now. Can't wait for the season to start

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This is such a formality ... and yes I'm jumping ahead ... I'm more concerned about #2. Both Oleksiak and Campbell took big steps forward this year. Oleksiak showed significant improvement on the offensive side of the puck at the pro level in the AHL, and he was down right dominant at times. Most nights in the AHL he was Texas' number 1 D.

Campbell though not surprisingly had to adjust to a backup role. He's never played that role in his career. While he did eventually settle into limited starts, he just dominated after Nilstorp came up to the NHL and then was ultimately injured. More importantly, I grew accustomed to a risk taking, scrambling at times Campbell the first 2 years after drafting him. The guy was an entirely different player last year. He got lit up a few games, but more often than not he limited his movement, and his calmer presence in net allowed him to be in position better for 2nd or 3rd opportunities. He was hands down team MVP for the stretch Dallas and Texas both had several key injuries on D, and Campbell was playing behind a rag tag group of mostly ECHL D.

Both Oleksiak and Campbell just further strengthened my belief they'll be NHLers, and while neither one did anything to be considered a sure fire #1 at their position, they proved during stretches last year in the AHL they were just that.

For me I think I have to go Campbell. He has world class talent at his position, I think we have to likely acknowledge he might have one of the better position coaches in the league molding him, and the dude has one in some of the highest pressure moments of his career. I think he's more likely to become a 60 game true #1 goalie than Oleksiak is to become a #1, 25+ minute D.

Nichushkin, Campbell, then Oleksiak for me.

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Quick question .... still prospects by HF standards ... we are going to remove Dillon and Eakin from the equation, right?

Seems like a waste in a poll like this.

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Quick question .... still prospects by HF standards ... we are going to remove Dillon and Eakin from the equation, right?

Seems like a waste in a poll like this.
Yup.

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Quick question .... still prospects by HF standards ... we are going to remove Dillon and Eakin from the equation, right?

Seems like a waste in a poll like this.
Lol read the whole OP dude

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Ritchie at 12 looks really bad in hindsight. Austin Smith on at all really is. Faska is too high and will Glennie ever graduate? That's what I take from this list.
I think you're falling in the Ritchie trap. People overlooked Ritchie last year because of his less than stellar season. Many people were down on him for not scoring in the IceDogs playoff run despite being one of their top shut down forwards.

Faksa just had reverse seasons compared to Ritchie. Ritchie's draft year was the multiple injury season with mono and some nagging problems. In his first year, Faksa was a defensive force that still scored a PPG. A mystery illness and a knee injury derailed his season.

Call me crazy, but with all we know about this kid, I predict he at least matches Ritchie's awesome final OHL season, and I think he'll likely have a better one.

With his work ethic and the determination he's already shown at such a young age, that ruff season probably made him train even harder this summer. With Kitchener looking like they'll be in a rebuild, I hope he gets traded soon to a top contender. It will be interesting though to see how well he performs with a smaller bunch of talent around him.

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Lol read the whole OP dude
Thought I did. Didn't notice the part below the list.

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I think you're falling in the Ritchie trap. People overlooked Ritchie last year because of his less than stellar season. Many people were down on him for not scoring in the IceDogs playoff run despite being one of their top shut down forwards.

Faksa just had reverse seasons compared to Ritchie. Ritchie's draft year was the multiple injury season with mono and some nagging problems. In his first year, Faksa was a defensive force that still scored a PPG. A mystery illness and a knee injury derailed his season.

Call me crazy, but with all we know about this kid, I predict he at least matches Ritchie's awesome final OHL season, and I think he'll likely have a better one.

With his work ethic and the determination he's already shown at such a young age, that ruff season probably made him train even harder this summer. With Kitchener looking like they'll be in a rebuild, I hope he gets traded soon to a top contender. It will be interesting though to see how well he performs with a smaller bunch of talent around him.
Am I the only one who thinks Ritchie would've gone a LOT higher had he not suffered those issues?

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Nichushkin's gotta be #1.

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Call me crazy, but with all we know about this kid, I predict he at least matches Ritchie's awesome final OHL season, and I think he'll likely have a better one.
I think the odds of Ritchie playing at close to a PPG level in the AHL is greater than Faksa playing at a 41-35-76 points/53 game pace in the OHL.

Even if we want to attribute a good bit of Ritchie's numbers to Strome, Faksa won't have that luxury.

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'Shoosh" is #1

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Tough between Nich and Oleksiak, gotta go with Nich though.

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Tough between Nich and Oleksiak, gotta go with Nich though.
I agree. I see them as 1a 1b.

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Nichuskin for me. I think he may end up similar to Rick Nash more physical and more defensively responsible.

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