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07-16-2013, 04:58 PM
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Totally disagree, while it does have it's share of diehards I'd have to say 99% of sports fans here are fairweather fans that don't give a damn about the teams.

Take a look at the Yankees. One rough season and most people don't want to know them.
Most people can't afford the ticket prices.. And I think some may be trying to send hal a message about the so called budget

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07-16-2013, 05:06 PM
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Totally disagree, while it does have it's share of diehards I'd have to say 99% of sports fans here are fairweather fans that don't give a damn about the teams.

Take a look at the Yankees. One rough season and most people don't want to know them.
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Most people can't afford the ticket prices.. And I think some may be trying to send hal a message about the so called budget
I think the thing with the Yankees is the team is clearly going in a bad direction and the organization thinks because they have a few injuries that everything will be just fine. As a fan that's a major turnoff. The team was aging and declining before the injuries.

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I would sign him to (6 years 42M) (7M per year)
Well you won't be in the race since it only takes a couple of GMs to get into a bidding war and judging by posters in this thread you are looking at $8.5m+.

Another thing to consider is how much the cap will jump next year. If it is $70m+ every team is going to have a huge wad of cap space to spend on something, anything, prices are going to go even crazier.

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That would mean the years matter not AAV.. Hank will be paid more than Rask
rask will be paid for prime years on an 8 year deal. henke would no longer be in his prime towards the end of his 8 year deal.

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07-16-2013, 06:39 PM
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rask will be paid for prime years on an 8 year deal. henke would no longer be in his prime towards the end of his 8 year deal.
if Hank gets an 8 year deal he will still be paid more than Rask.. If he gets less than 8, he absoluely will be paid more.

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Pittsburgh would be a dynasty
When did they get a good defender???

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When did they get a good defender???
Lundqvist has taken the Rangers to the playoffs with a first pair of Michal Rozsival and Marek Malik, it wouldn't be a problem.

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When did they get a good defender???
when did Lundqvist need great defense? with Malkin and Crosby and Pittsburgh's offense averaging 4 goals a game or so, Hank would easily make them the best team year after year in hockey, it would simply be unfair.l

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Lundqvist has taken the Rangers to the playoffs with a first pair of Michal Rozsival and Marek Malik, it wouldn't be a problem.
Would you consider the Rangers a dynasty?

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Would you consider the Rangers a dynasty?
let me answer your question with another question

do the Rangers have Crosby and Malkin?

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when did Lundqvist need great defense? with Malkin and Crosby and Pittsburgh's offense averaging 4 goals a game or so, Hank would easily make them the best team year after year in hockey, it would simply be unfair.l
With Lundqvist at a ~9M cap hit + Crosby, Malkin, and Letang, the Penguns would have over half their salary cap tied up in 4 players.

The Penguins would have to sacrifice their defense or their bottom 6 to meet the salary cap, and there is no way that team would become a dynasty. If Malkin and Crosby go cold in the playoffs like they did this year, they'd be out in the first two rounds.

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let me answer your question with another question

do the Rangers have Crosby and Malkin?
That's not the point. If you look at the history of hockey, everything close to "dynasty" had a great defense. Those great Canadien and Bruins teams, the Red Wings and Devils from 95-04 were all built on defense.

The only dynasty that was carried squarely by offense were those Oiler teams but those teams were ridiculously stacked to the point where they make the new age Penguins look like a mediocre team.

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With Lundqvist at a ~9M cap hit + Crosby, Malkin, and Letang, the Penguns would have over half their salary cap tied up in 4 players.

The Penguins would have to sacrifice their defense or their bottom 6 to meet the salary cap, and there is no way that team would become a dynasty. If Malkin and Crosby go cold in the playoffs like they did this year, they'd be out in the first two rounds.
If Lundqvist wanted a 9M cap hit, he wouldn't be signing with the Penguins.

In this hypothetical situation, the Pens can fit Lundqvist at 7M-7.5M without sacrificing much of anything.

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07-16-2013, 09:51 PM
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If Lundqvist wanted a 9M cap hit, he wouldn't be signing with the Penguins.

In this hypothetical situation, the Pens can fit Lundqvist at 7M-7.5M without sacrificing much of anything.
That's still around 33 million dollars invested in 2 forwards, an offensive minded D-man, and a goalie. That's not a formula for a dynasty. That's a formula for a high octane offense that is going to leave their elite goaltender out to dry. Could they win a Cup? Probably. Could they be a dynasty? No. It's hard enough to build a dynasty in the NHL today, never mind building one without much of a defense.

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That's still around 33 million dollars invested in 2 forwards, an offensive minded D-man, and a goalie. That's not a formula for a dynasty. That's a formula for a high octane offense that is going to leave their elite goaltender out to dry. Could they win a Cup? Probably. Could they be a dynasty? No. It's hard enough to build a dynasty in the NHL today, never mind building one without much of a defense.
I think you're taking the 'dynasty' comment that person made too literally. They just meant the Pens would be a really damn good team.

Also I don't really understand where this "without much of a defense" comment is coming from.

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07-17-2013, 01:01 AM
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He should be the highest paid goalie in the league. 7.5M / year for 6 years.

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That's still around 33 million dollars invested in 2 forwards, an offensive minded D-man, and a goalie. That's not a formula for a dynasty. That's a formula for a high octane offense that is going to leave their elite goaltender out to dry. Could they win a Cup? Probably. Could they be a dynasty? No. It's hard enough to build a dynasty in the NHL today, never mind building one without much of a defense.
Vokoun would be a UFA, that's $2M, Jussi Jokinen same time same $2M; Fleury would be traded, that's $5M. There's $9M.

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Vokoun would be a UFA, that's $2M, Jussi Jokinen same time same $2M; Fleury would be traded, that's $5M. There's $9M.
Plus a good chance the salary cap will go up.

As great as he is. I cringe at signing goalies to long term contracts but thats what it is going to take a player like him.

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$$$? 8M per year

Trade? 1st overall plus another first rounder and whatever you got kicking around for a starting goalie.

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I'd make him the highest paid goalie in the league. He's the best in the business.

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His current deal represented 12% of the salary cap in its first year. Assuming the cap next year is back to 70M that would be a salary of 8.4M, which seems fair to me.

When it comes to term though, 8 years at that number might seem a bit long to me...

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Vokoun would be a UFA, that's $2M, Jussi Jokinen same time same $2M; Fleury would be traded, that's $5M. There's $9M.
So Lundy at 9 million+crosby+Malkin+Letang. What is that, close to 35 million tied up to four players. Not to mention next year you will need 5 forwards under contracts and 4 more defenders. Maybe you get production out of one of your young defenders, but there really would be no chance Pittsburgh has to sign Lundy and icing a competitive team.

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I've already got the rest of his career planned:

1. Sign a 6.5M/1yr deal with Pittsburgh.
2. Win a Stanley Cup.

3. Sign a 59.5M/7yr deal with whomever will pay up.
4. Retire a wealthy and accomplished man.

Why am I not his agent yet?


Just saying

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Just saying
Alternate Ending:

1. Sign a 6.5M/1yr deal with Pittsburgh.
2. Lose in Stanley Cup finals.
3. Join the team who won the Stanley Cup for 49M/7yrs
4. Lose to Penguins in Stanley Cup finals.
5. Retire because life is too hard.
6. Cry everyday.


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Vokoun would be a UFA, that's $2M, Jussi Jokinen same time same $2M; Fleury would be traded, that's $5M. There's $9M.

What team would want Fluery at $5m?

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