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07-15-2013, 08:33 PM
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So JVR is worth a nearly PPG Stepan or a Young #1 D-mm? Yeah "okay". JVR is a goalscorer, Stepan is a great 2-way pass first mentality Guy (playmaker, ya know?) and he had the same amount of goals on a team that sucks at scoring.


You gotta give to get is better suited for Toronto in this case. If you want 1 of Steps/McD that is.

Then you take into consideration as of how bad the Rangers need Stepan. Richards is gonna get bought out. Brassard, Miller/Boyle is awful as a top 6 C depth.


And you're trading with Sather. Call him what you want, god knows he's a lot of things, bad at doing trades isn't one of them.
good, no jvr for you. /thread we dont need your dmen anyways, we have plenty of good d prospects in the system, but top 6 powerforwards that can score definitively dont grow on trees.

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07-15-2013, 08:34 PM
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JvR has one good season and suddenly he's worth a #1 defender.
Well considering you got a d- man for him who currently plays on the top pairing...

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07-15-2013, 08:40 PM
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Well considering you got a d- man for him who currently plays on the top pairing...
Playing on the 1st line or on the 1st pairing doesn't make everybody a #1 anything.


Hejda or whoever's paired with EJ isn't a true top pairing D.


Whoever's playing on Calgary's 1st line except for maybe Cammy (meh, debatable) isn't a real 1st line fwd.


Schenn isn't even Flyers best D-man lol.

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07-15-2013, 08:51 PM
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Why? JVR is better and younger.
Why is JVR better than Callahan? More talented? Sure. But I don't think the Rangers are a better team with JVR than they are with Callahan; not by a mile.

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07-15-2013, 08:58 PM
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Unfortunately JVR's tombstone will read "He had potential."

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07-15-2013, 09:01 PM
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Well considering you got a d- man for him who currently plays on the top pairing...
comparing Luke Schenn to Marc Staal and or Ryan McDonagh is just stupid and shows you don't really know the Rangers pair at all.

Both are significantly more developed and better than Schenn at this point.

And no, JVR is not worth either of them.

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07-15-2013, 09:03 PM
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Playing on the 1st line or on the 1st pairing doesn't make everybody a #1 anything.


Hejda or whoever's paired with EJ isn't a true top pairing D.


Whoever's playing on Calgary's 1st line except for maybe Cammy (meh, debatable) isn't a real 1st line fwd.


Schenn isn't even Flyers best D-man lol.
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comparing Luke Schenn to Marc Staal and or Ryan McDonagh is just stupid and shows you don't really know the Rangers pair at all.

Both are significantly more developed and better than Schenn at this point.

And no, JVR is not worth either of them.
Apparently that little joke went over everyone's head.

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07-15-2013, 09:34 PM
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Lol I think some of the Maple Leafs fans are trying to take advantage of us. They know that we could use a legit top 6 LWer and that JVR is a Rangers fan.


That's the only explanation I got for the Stepan/McDonagh (+) offers in here.




Crazy...
We need a number 1 C or a 1/2D, aside from that our team is set. Crazy that we'd be asking for one of those two things in return for one of our more valuable players. Ranger fan asked, Leaf fans answered we dont need prospects, we don't need picks we don't want players at the end of their contract. That leaves Stepan or McDonagh.

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07-15-2013, 09:49 PM
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Lol I think some of the Maple Leafs fans are trying to take advantage of us. They know that we could use a legit top 6 LWer and that JVR is a Rangers fan.


That's the only explanation I got for the Stepan/McDonagh (+) offers in here.




Crazy...
Or those Leafs fans aren't typical HFboards trade proposal retards and realize that teams trade to fill needs rather than trading just for the sake of trading. The Rangers fill a need by trading for JVR. But why the hell would the Leafs want to trade him for prospects, especially when last summer they traded their recent 5th overall for him?

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07-15-2013, 10:23 PM
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Unfortunately JVR's tombstone will read "He had potential."
Kovys will read "rip devils offence". I dont understand what jvr needs to prove exactly..... he is always a playoffs beast and is good for around 20 goals a season these days, and he always seems to score in opportune times for us. He will probably never be ppg or close to it, but hes still highly skilled no matter what and hes one of the best forwards on the leafs night in night out

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07-15-2013, 10:33 PM
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Girardi please and thanks.

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Girardi please and thanks.
Rangers can't afford to move our best RHD but I agree that the value is good.

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Well the only reason I add Callahan is because his grit and leadership will be welcomed in our top 6. He's C material which increases his value a tad bit for me.

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As I've mentioned before, there are people on both sides asking for too much.

On our end, we're not accepting anything less than McDonagh or Stepan.

We don't want Girardi+ or Kreider+. No use for either when it comes to the caliber of player JVR, let alone the fact he fills a huge need for us, and has sky high potential.
Yet, you have many of your own fans saying you need a #1/2 D, Girardi is exactly that.

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07-16-2013, 12:12 AM
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Girardi please and thanks.
Would do

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07-16-2013, 12:15 AM
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07-16-2013, 12:22 AM
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Start with Stepan
So curious question here. Not saying JVR = Stepan, but Kadri and Stepan put up similar numbers this season. Can we say Kadri = Stepan?

I don't want to trade for Stepan, just want to know if the value is similar.

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07-16-2013, 12:56 AM
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Stepan > JVR > Callahan

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07-16-2013, 01:09 AM
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So curious question here. Not saying JVR = Stepan, but Kadri and Stepan put up similar numbers this season. Can we say Kadri = Stepan?

I don't want to trade for Stepan, just want to know if the value is similar.
Stepan will probably be the first line center on the team usa olympic team. Kadri wont even get a look to be on team canada. Apples and Oranges.

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07-16-2013, 01:18 AM
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Stepan will probably be the first line center on the team usa olympic team. Kadri wont even get a look to be on team canada. Apples and Oranges.
Yeah because team USA and Canada are comparable center wise?

Kesler is probably the #1C on USA FWIW.

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07-16-2013, 01:20 AM
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Stepan will probably be the first line center on the team usa olympic team. Kadri wont even get a look to be on team canada. Apples and Oranges.
Come on, I love Stepan and I'm pretty high on him, but comparing them based on where they will end up on their respective countries teams is ACTUALLY apples and oranges

edit- damn, i got trolled 7/10 sir

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07-16-2013, 01:39 AM
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Stepan will probably be the first line center on the team usa olympic team. Kadri wont even get a look to be on team canada. Apples and Oranges.
Unless you think Stepan would be on Team Canada, that is a terrible argument. And if you think Stepan would make it, then you're delusional.

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Unless you think Stepan would be on Team Canada, that is a terrible argument. And if you think Stepan would make it, then you're delusional.
The argument he should have gone with is Kadri would not make Team USA. Which is accurate.

Girardi and Miller for JVR is probably fair

I love Girardi as any other Rangers fan, but if you can move him, with a prospect for JVR, it's a move you need to make 11 times out of 10 from an NY perspective. As much as I hate Losing Girardi, and as much and Girardi would kill it in Toronto, the Rangers need a JVR type.


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Not interested in a lazy player with a history of concussions and injuries.

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I'd take the OP's deal.

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