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07-15-2013, 05:36 PM
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Downie
Elliott
1st (2014)


Smid



Changed from McGinn, Elliott, Bordy, 2nd in 2014


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Unless Edmonton has another deal to bring in a top defenceman, they can't afford to give up Smid.

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McGinn
Elliott
Bordeleau
2nd in 2014


Smid



Whaddya think
Oilers will probably say its a crap deal because their top pairing Dman is beig traded for multiple pieces inferring they are inferior to Smid

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Quantity < > Quality. And I'm an Avs fan. Edmonton get NHL 05'd on this deal.

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I don't see the Oilers doing this. Even if Elliott had a better year.

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I do not wanna do this as an Avs fan. Smid is a top pairing dman on an awful team and Elliott has 50 point potential.

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Well, is Stastny the odd man out at center?


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07-15-2013, 05:50 PM
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Downie + Bordeleau + Barrie

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07-15-2013, 05:51 PM
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Edmonton would say no, for exactly the same reason we'd say no to a similar proposal for Johnson.

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I wouldn't even do it as a avs fan.

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07-15-2013, 05:53 PM
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I do not wanna do this as an Avs fan. Smid is a top pairing dman on an awful team and Elliott has 50 point potential.
Smid would immediately become the top pairing d-man on this team too. He's the perfect partner for Erik Johnson, but I like McGinn way too much to move him. Also, you're overrating Elliott BIG TIME. I love the kid, but over the last 5 years, these are the defenseman who have hit 50+ points in a season not including the lockout shortened season:

Jovanovski
Chara (3)
Kaberle
Rafalski (2)
Green (3)
Markov (2)
Phaneuf
Campbell (3)
Streit (2)
Gonchar (2)
Lidstrom (3)
Kronwall
Weber
Souray
Boyle (3)
Niedermayer
Enstrom (2)
Pronger
Doughty
Keith
Letang
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Wisniewski
Byfuglien (2)
Yandle
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Pietrangelo
Karlsson

I seriously doubt the kid has the potential to consistently hit 50 points. Maybe in the 35-40 point range, and I'd love that, but 50 is pushing it

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McGinn
Elliott
Bordeleau
2nd in 2014


Smid



Whaddya think
Oilers will reject it for one reason. You posted named players and gave no other information

here are the players being offered

McGinn
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=80256
Elliot
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=98107
Patrick Bordeleau
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=73218


the players are 3rd and 4th liners and guys who wont be on ice when things get real. Smid is a key guy and the players offered are bit players

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Hmm, Guess I was wrong with my assessment of Smid. I thought he was a second liner for Edmonton, but if he is their Number 1 then ignore the first proposal.

Would Downie, 1st and Elliott be better?

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07-15-2013, 06:00 PM
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Hmm, Guess I was wrong with my assessment of Smid. I thought he was a second liner for Edmonton, but if he is their Number 1 then ignore the first proposal.

Would Downie, 1st and Elliott be better?
that is very good , hard to say no to... but we have noone that can replace what smid brings
but u def are making it hard to say no for me at the very least

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Hmm, Guess I was wrong with my assessment of Smid. I thought he was a second liner for Edmonton, but if he is their Number 1 then ignore the first proposal.

Would Downie, 1st and Elliott be better?
I really like Smid and he's pretty damn underrated, but if we have to give up Downie, a 1st, and Elliott I would rather go for somebody else with more potential.

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Hmm, Guess I was wrong with my assessment of Smid. I thought he was a second liner for Edmonton, but if he is their Number 1 then ignore the first proposal.

Would Downie, 1st and Elliott be better?
I like this less than the OP. Avs could do better with that package I think.

Downie is one of our 2 RWs and with the Avs running with 3 lines, not my first or 2nd choice for trade bait.

Smid is ideally a great 2nd pairing shutdown dman. We have Siemens coming up for that role soon, and Hejda is holding on to that role enough for now. Avs need more of a 2 way player to pair with EJ IMO.

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If you want Smid it needs to be Tyson Barrie that's involved, not Elliot.

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Oilers will reject it for one reason. You posted named players and gave no other information

here are the players being offered

McGinn
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=80256
Elliot
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=98107
Patrick Bordeleau
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=73218


the players are 3rd and 4th liners and guys who wont be on ice when things get real. Smid is a key guy and the players offered are bit players
Trying to evaluate players, particularly a prospect like Elliot, by posting links to hockeydb is hilarious.

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1st (2014)


Smid



Changed from McGinn, Elliott, Bordy, 2nd in 2014
As an Avs fan I say no.

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07-15-2013, 06:43 PM
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This is horrible for the Avs, as an Oiler fan i'd take this deal and run. That 1st could be another lottery pick.

Edit: By Lottery I mean top 5.

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07-15-2013, 06:45 PM
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Changed from McGinn, Elliott, Bordy, 2nd in 2014
And to this proposal, no thanks.

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07-15-2013, 06:52 PM
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If Edmonton signs Hainsey, I'd be for this move.

1: We need a guy like Downie.
2: 1st rounders rock.
3: Edmonton doesn't have enough right handed d-men in their system.
4: Even with Smid in the fold I'm convinced that Colorado is still a bottom 10 team.

Without Hainsey coming to Edmonton, I can't see this move happening, though and at the same time I don't think that Hainsey will be back in the NHL. Me thinks he's going to be the fall guy for helping the players so much in the past CBA.

Downie, Eliot and Hainsey easily make Edmonton a better team now than just having Smid there.

Our prospect pool is looking pretty damn good but having two first rounders at the next draft is of course very attractive. On top of that you'd think we could go out and blow one of those first rounders + Hemsky or Nick Schultz and get another impact player on a good contract.

This trade fills plugs at 3rd line LW and 3rd pairing RD.
We already upgraded at 2nd line LW, 2nd pairing LD and found plugs for 4th line LW, 4th line RW, back-up goalie and 3rd line C.

That's a ton of player movement would be Edmonton busiest year in a long time.

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Avs are giving up too much there IMO

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I definitely wouldn't do Downie, Elliott and a first. That's just too much for the team to give up. I do really like Smid, and I think he'd be a great addition to the team, but I'm a big believer in Elliott and I'd hate to see him tearing it up for another team. I can't handle another Shattenkirk.

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07-15-2013, 06:57 PM
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1st (2014)


Smid



Changed from McGinn, Elliott, Bordy, 2nd in 2014
What is this? We are giving up way too much.

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