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07-16-2013, 02:24 PM
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07-16-2013, 02:31 PM
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Splitting goals here, but it's the eight most...Pitt, Chi, Mon, Was, Tb, Tor and Ana all had more than us.
Anaheim had less goals than the Islanders

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/te...ing/sort/goals

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Anaheim had less goals than the Islanders

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/te...ing/sort/goals
It's quite sad when one of two major sporting websites cant get their facts right.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...sGoalsFor&type

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07-16-2013, 03:17 PM
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not too intrested in vanek as i once was actually, but i would be willing to give sundstrom and isles 2014 first for him if it happens prior to the start of the season, i think vanek would end up staying here long term too

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07-16-2013, 03:18 PM
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It's quite sad when one of two major sporting websites cant get their facts right.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...sGoalsFor&type
Well.... it is ESPNBA, sadly I'm not surprised.

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If the Islanders are trading prospects and/or high picks, I'd sure hope it's to solidify an area of need. As much as I like Vanek, and I do concede that he would improve the offense.... he wouldn't make the Islanders more of a playoff threat IMO.

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Well.... it is ESPNBA, sadly I'm not surprised.
Honestly, the sad part is I think NHL.com is wrong. I checked the Isles website and it had them in seventh, so that doesn't say anything good when the league's own website doesn't know how many goals each team scored.

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07-16-2013, 03:34 PM
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If the Islanders are trading prospects and/or high picks, I'd sure hope it's to solidify an area of need. As much as I like Vanek, and I do concede that he would improve the offense.... he wouldn't make the Islanders more of a playoff threat IMO.
You're wrong, he definitely makes us more of a playoff threat.

Bailey-Tavares-Vanek
Moulson-Nielsen-Okposo
Grabner-Nelson-Clutterbuck
Martin-Cizikas-McDonald

That would be a very good lineup.

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not too intrested in vanek as i once was actually, but i would be willing to give sundstrom and isles 2014 first for him if it happens prior to the start of the season, i think vanek would end up staying here long term too
Somewhere on hf, is a comment from a recent Streit article, saying Snow has a salary structure and won't bust it.

After seeing players who at one point lobbied to stay, PAP and Streit, why would fans think 1. Wang would greenlight a $7m addition and 2. Vanek would take a serious paycut to stay.

It is not like the isles are likely to be a cap ceiling team or Vanek won't draw plenty of interest as a ufa.

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07-16-2013, 03:47 PM
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The flip side...when was the last time a player like Vanek was moved..in terms of wingers...he is top 5 easily.

If they wait till the deadline many more teams could afford him and the bidding war would start. He is a difference maker type of player for a cup run.
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Kovalchuk, Hossa, Gaborik, Nash
Uhhh...

We should be able to get even more at the deadline. We should keep him and trade him at half salary at the deadline. It'd be the biggest trade deadline move since... Well since kovalchuk. Should receive similar or look at the hossa deal.

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07-16-2013, 03:50 PM
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You're wrong, he definitely makes us more of a playoff threat.

Bailey-Tavares-Vanek
Moulson-Nielsen-Okposo
Grabner-Nelson-Clutterbuck
Martin-Cizikas-McDonald

That would be a very good lineup.
I think defense is a bigger worry. I understand the isles want Donovan/De Haan on the nhl roster, but we are going to have to deal with growing pains. The other defensemen will need to play more consistently then they did this season.

And if Cappy has no faith in Poulin/Nilson, will he overwork Nabby again?

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07-16-2013, 03:51 PM
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I think defense is a bigger worry. I understand the isles want Donovan/De Haan on the nhl roster, but we are going to have to deal with growing pains. The other defensemen will need to play more consistently then they did this season.

And if Cappy has no faith in Poulin/Nilson, will he overwork Nabby again?
Oh believe me I know, I was just saying Vanek definitely makes us a better team. I'm not interested in trading for him because I know he won't re-sign here. Top 4 dman to play with Visnovsky and a goalie to split time with Nabokov would be the biggest need. It seems like Strait will be in the top 4, I would like to have him and Donovan/DeHaan on the 3rd pairing, not a fan of Hickey at all.

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07-16-2013, 03:53 PM
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Oh believe me I know, I was just saying Vanek definitely makes us a better team. I'm not interested in trading for him because I know he won't resign here.
Would you trade a 1st + B tier prospect if you were guaranteed 2 things:
1. He'd walk as a free agent
2. You'd make the playoffs and win at least 1 round

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07-16-2013, 04:08 PM
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You're wrong, he definitely makes us more of a playoff threat.
Oh, well then.... I guess that's settled....

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Bailey-Tavares-Vanek
Moulson-Nielsen-Okposo
Grabner-Nelson-Clutterbuck
Martin-Cizikas-McDonald

That would be a very good lineup.
MacDonald - Hamonic
Visnovsky - Hickey
Donovan - Carkner

Nabby
Poulin

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Would you trade a 1st + B tier prospect if you were guaranteed 2 things:
1. He'd walk as a free agent
2. You'd make the playoffs and win at least 1 round

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Winning 1-2 rounds and watching him walk as a ufa.

Woohoo. Plan the parade route.

Snow and a few of his players, have discussed building a team that is a serious SC contender for several yrs. Sabre fans in this thread are shopping Vanek to the wrong team.

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Would you trade a 1st + B tier prospect if you were guaranteed 2 things:
1. He'd walk as a free agent
2. You'd make the playoffs and win at least 1 round

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Absolutely not. We have suffered for enough years that we aren't going to trade off future pieces for a one year rental just to make it to the second round. This rebuild is built towards being an annual contender for the cup. No shortcuts needed for a one year run at the expense of the future.

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Sabres fan here to apologize for the ridiculousness of some of our fan bases trade proposals.

Vanek will return a 1st round pick and probably a secondary asset or 2.... no elite prospects (Strome), or young core NHL player (Okposo).

I'm not going to tell Isles fans what they need...

But I think Vanek (% retained) for 1st and Ullstrom is a fair deal
Vanek is going to more than a mid 1st and a B prospect at the deadline.

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Vanek is going to more than a mid 1st and a B prospect at the deadline.
I was surprised Vanek was not moved at this yr's trade deadline, with some salary retained

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I agree that the OP's asking price is too hefty
I agree that Vanek is a great fit on the Isle
I agree NYI's likely cant afford Vanek
I agree the NYIs dont "need" Vanek as much as a goaltender n maybe a dman however I also find the Islanders with Vanek capable of going deep into the playoffs and competing for the cup. The Isles without Vanek strike me as a 1st round and out type of team.
I agree Sabres fans in this thread have gotten a bit ridiculous
I strongly Disagree with the quote above that says theres no Sabres on their roster that could land Strome-thats homerism at its finest and rivals some of the Buffalo homerism in this thread.

I dont see a deal to be had here.
Myers has struggled recently so i'd be hesitant to trade Strome for him.
Erhoff? lol
Grigorenko? Strome and him are just about even prospects so there's no point.
Vanek? We can't afford to give him a new contract
Miller? Again, we can't afford to give him a new contract plus he's up there in age.

It's not so much about blind value for value, its about how any of those players fit in with the Islanders LONG TERM when compared to Strome who also has been training with JT in the offseason since being drafted.

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Rumor has it that Moulson + 1st for HDTV is a standing offer from the Island. Based on nothing but Buffalo fan intuition, I think Regier is holding out for Czikas or something.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thr...=108351&page=4 (poster also broke the Tallinder deal)

Vanek staying in LI has everything to do with whether Wang would pay him. TV and JT would have absurd chemistry around the net, and Tavares would be the best player Vanek has, and possibly would, ever play with.

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Rumor has it that Moulson + 1st for HDTV is a standing offer from the Island. Based on nothing but Buffalo fan intuition, I think Regier is holding out for Czikas or something.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thr...=108351&page=4 (poster also broke the Tallinder deal)

Vanek staying in LI has everything to do with whether Wang would pay him. TV and JT would have absurd chemistry around the net, and Tavares would be the best player Vanek has, and possibly would, ever play with.
It would certainly be fun to watch.

an upgrade on Dipietro for sure

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rumor has it that moulson + 1st for hdtv is a standing offer from the island. Based on nothing but buffalo fan intuition, i think regier is holding out for czikas or something.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thr...=108351&page=4 (poster also broke the tallinder deal)

vanek staying in li has everything to do with whether wang would pay him. Tv and jt would have absurd chemistry around the net, and tavares would be the best player vanek has, and possibly would, ever play with.
hdtv?

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[QUOTE=struckbyaparkedcar;69279715]Rumor has it that Moulson + 1st for HDTV is a standing offer from the Island. Based on nothing but Buffalo fan intuition, I think Regier is holding out for Czikas or something.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thr...=108351&page=4 (poster also broke the Tallinder deal)

Vanek staying in LI has everything to do with whether Wang would pay him. TV and JT would have absurd chemistry around the net, and Tavares would be the best player Vanek has, and possibly would, ever play with.[/QUOTE

Some of HF Sabre fans may recall a few summers ago, when a hockeybuzz Sabre blogger, wrote about the impending Streit for Tallinder+Lydman trade.

Streit was coming off a strong season and Tallinder+Lydman were 48 hrs from becoming ufas.

Any source with some credibility?

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Myers has struggled recently so i'd be hesitant to trade Strome for him.
Erhoff? lol
Grigorenko? Strome and him are just about even prospects so there's no point.
Vanek? We can't afford to give him a new contract
Miller? Again, we can't afford to give him a new contract plus he's up there in age.

It's not so much about blind value for value, its about how any of those players fit in with the Islanders LONG TERM when compared to Strome who also has been training with JT in the offseason since being drafted.
Strome actually started training with JT before he was drafted.

Strome also comes with a full ELC intact, something that jives perfectly with the Isles payroll structure. He's had 2 years to develop and looks pretty much NHL ready at this point. There aren't many prospects that offer the price, pedigree, and 2 years development time available around the NHL. You don't trade guys like that. If it weren't for Tavares, people would be talking about him as the great hope for a #1C.

He's untouchable.

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