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07-17-2013, 11:22 AM
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id love for someone to give me examples that show otherwise. its ok, i can wait
Deano was GM for the Marchment era in SJ, and Mike Ricci is his favorite player ever. I bet his poster is up in DLs office

I wouldn't say those are examples, but he's also quoted as saying "every army needs a few criminals." Don't write off the idea.

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He's played on Richards line. He's played with Sharp and Hossa. We're getting a guy who can play with our stars and won't hesitate to step in and defend them. Kelly Buchburger made a career of getting his face caved in to protect his teams stars. Carcillo has talent, coaches see that. He just has a short fuse. Lombardi has already said every army needs a few criminals. Here's ours.
He was with Richards when Richards centered the Flyers' third line. did not do much with Sharp and Hossa.

Where has he proven that he is a good player? And why would the Hawks trade him to us if he was?

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This move is growing on me already... Show me more.








He doesn't quit!



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Haven't you guy learned to trust DL yet? Good move Deano!!! Keep 'em coming!!!
You think people would after he his plan won us the Stanley Cup, but no...

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You think people would after he his plan won us the Stanley Cup, but no...
I like Dean Lombardi, and I'm glad he's our GM. But I don't buy the idea that once a GM wins a Stanley Cup, we must trust that all of his decisions are right. No one is that good.

There are plenty of good Cup winning GMs out there in the league right now who don't make all the right moves 100% of the time.

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[/QUOTE]He doesn't quit!





You think people would after he his plan won us the Stanley Cup, but no...[/QUOTE]

Love this vid. Yeah, he hurt his knee, but love the passion.

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If Clifford is shipped out, especially in light of Carcillo being picked up, I think a lot of it comes down to one play:

Scrum with Toews during Game 2 of the WCF.

Kings are getting their ***** handed to them and their "enforcer" gets into a scuffle with Chicago's captain and top-line player. Perfect opportunity to send a message before the series shifts back to LA and, let us not forget, Bolland knocks Richards out for the majority of the series just 24 hours earlier.

What does Clifford do? Pretty much nothing. He wasn't going to do a thing to Toews and then Crawford gets to jump in like some kind of hero. All the post-game talk is centering on how much of a stud Crawford is while the Kings just looked like clowns. Clifford is just too damn honest of a hockey player.

How would Carcillo handle that altercation? Well, he had no problem feeding Marian Gaborik his lunch in a similar situation. You can bet your ass Carcillo would of at least taken a questionable run at someone in the Game 2 as LA was about to go down 2-0 in the series with their leading playoff scorer nursing a concussion from a questionable hit.

I like Clifford and don't want to see him go, but this team is just way too nice. It's time that they initiate the action every once in awhile. I've harped on it a bit, but the Kings are at 30+ something games without a fight and there have been plenty of reasons to have one during this timespan. They played much tougher during the SC run in the playoffs than this past season's playoff run...it's like they got played harder because they were the Champs and didn't really know how to react. It's not always about fighting, not at all, but it's an attitude you need to have and I felt the Kings were too honest and let other teams get away with way too much.

Carcillo won't keep cheap shots from happening, but him starting something can drag everyone else into the fray with him. I guarantee Bolland would of received a visit from Carcillo in Game 2 of the WCF...still pissed nobody did anything to him that game when winning was clearly out of reach. You simply can not allow your top scorer to get KO'd like that without a hint of retribution.
God damn right.

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I like Dean Lombardi, and I'm glad he's our GM. But I don't buy the idea that once a GM wins a Stanley Cup, we must trust that all of his decisions are right. No one is that good.

There are plenty of good Cup winning GMs out there in the league right now who don't make all the right moves 100% of the time.
That's why some of us have a catch phrase that says "In DL we trust". A lot of us we're going on blind faith before. We have a cup to back it up now. DL is the Bill Clinton of GMs. Never know what he's doing or why. Not everyone agrees obviously, but you get the idea.....

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07-17-2013, 11:40 AM
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I don't understand the outrage with this move. I love it. I've always liked Carcillo as a player.

You need guys that are willing to stir the pot and walk the line. He's an agitator that gets opposing players off their games. It's not like he's just a big goon like an Eric Godard or Andrew Peters who can't even play. He's shown he can fight by downing guys like Shawn Thornton and Mark Fraser, but Carcillo actually has some skill and is a good skater. He could definitely jump in and play some minutes on the Richards and Carter line if needed.

He brings some piss and vinegar to the team, something the Kings lacked a little this season. A guy who will run his mouth and take some runs at guys to stir the pot like Andrew Shaw did for Chicago this year. Shaw has more skill and potential IMO, but Carcillo is a nice pickup for the bottom 6.

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I like Dean Lombardi, and I'm glad he's our GM. But I don't buy the idea that once a GM wins a Stanley Cup, we must trust that all of his decisions are right. No one is that good.

There are plenty of good Cup winning GMs out there in the league right now who don't make all the right moves 100% of the time.
But what is the reason to get so worked up over a depth move?

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Love this vid. Yeah, he hurt his knee, but love the passion.
I love that he basically says "**** it!" and defends his teammates. Can't wait for some jackass to run into Quick when he's out there. I love players like that, he's all emotion and feeds off that.

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Yes! I'm all in on this trade now! Doty face, King's trollface, and hopefully another season of "Faces of Willie Mitchell? Plus this guy? Can the Kings sign Stu Bickel and just sit him one the bench?

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Yes! I'm all in on this trade now! Doty face, King's trollface, and hopefully another season of "Faces of Willie Mitchell? Plus this guy? Can the Kings sign Stu Bickel and just sit him one the bench?
His reaction to a win...




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07-17-2013, 01:08 PM
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for everyone insinuating that Clifford isnt tough enough, hes too honest of a hockey player, and that Carcillo is needed because he makes dodgy plays and risks getting suspended, put the ****ing bongs down. Sutter isnt that style of coach admittedly and Deano doesnt stand for that ****.
That's why he gave John Zeiler a 4 year contract.

And why Sutter had that Chris Simon guy on his team. There was a need on this team for a player who will get nasty. They went and got one. I preferred to have a better one, but the move suits the team just fine.

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What about all the **** Shaw pulled? No one did anything to him.

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But what is the reason to get so worked up over a depth move?



I love that he basically says "**** it!" and defends his teammates. Can't wait for some jackass to run into Quick when he's out there. I love players like that, he's all emotion and feeds off that.
This is how I feel too. Every team needs a Grim Reaper,McSorley,Sean O'Donnel type, who will back-up his fellow players.

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This is how I feel too. Every team needs a Grim Reaper,McSorley,Sean O'Donnel type, who will back-up his fellow players.
I'd rather have a fourth line plug do it instead of Richards. Every team needs a little dirty. No way in hell does Torres get away with anything when Carcillo is on this team.

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It's tough not having an enforcer and just relying on a 22 year old with two concussions already and a 24 year old with only one full shortened NHL season of experience to do the enforcing.

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To me the Carcillo trade is not complete till we see what we get for Cliff.

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I'd rather have a fourth line plug do it instead of Richards. Every team needs a little dirty. No way in hell does Torres get away with anything when Carcillo is on this team.
My dream agitator would be Artyuknin. Elite skating, heavy shot, Andre the giant on ice. Oh and he's Russian, so when he starts rag dolling Doan it could possibly start a Cold War. Now how do you do this
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But what is the reason to get so worked up over a depth move?
I simply disagree and am explaining why.

Here are two reasons to think hard about every roster move:

1. Limited amount of roster spots
2. Limited amount of cap space

Even for depth moves, I'd like to see us acquiring players with a better chance of contributing. I'd also like ones who haven't had a history of disciplinary and injury trouble lately.

If we want to go by Cup-winning management track records, Chicago's GM was happy to get rid of him for next to nothing. They are going to promote some solid young players from the AHL instead. Seems like a pretty good strategy to me.

I like Lombardi, but I'm not going to wave pom poms at everything. I'm sure he wouldn't want to look back at his own moves uncritically, either, which is why I like him. Even if Clifford is turning out to be a major problem, I'm puzzled by this when we have Andreoff on hand.

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****ing hated him on the Ducks, he's a dirty ****ing punk. But I actually would've rather had him than Carcillo, mainly for his size and speed. BigKing is spot on about Clifford not doing **** after Bolland railed Richards. I was calling for heads after that ******** hit, and the team didn't do anything in retaliation. That really pissed me off, especially considering Richards usually takes exception to other players running our young guys. Where were their balls?

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I simply disagree and am explaining why.

Here are two reasons to think hard about every roster move:

1. Limited amount of roster spots
2. Limited amount of cap space

Even for depth moves, I'd like to see us acquiring players with a better chance of contributing. I'd also like ones who haven't had a history of disciplinary and injury trouble lately.

If we want to go by Cup-winning management track records, Chicago's GM was happy to get rid of him for next to nothing. They are going to promote some solid young players from the AHL instead. Seems like a pretty good strategy to me.

I like Lombardi, but I'm not going to wave pom poms at everything. I'm sure he wouldn't want to look back at his own moves uncritically, either, which is why I like him. Even if Clifford is turning out to be a major problem, I'm puzzled by this when we have Andreoff on hand.
Andy gets another year in Manchester with more ice time and responsibility. This is not a bad thing whatsoever. He will be a better player when he joins LA in 2014-15.

This franchise has recently won The Cup and then went to the WCF and everyone still wants to pencil in 4 rookies for next season when there is only one who, without a doubt, should be there Day 1.

This team is being built to keep propsects in the minors to develop as long as possible much like Detroit. Why rush a future bottom-six player when you can plug in another guy who has already realized his potential and will probably be no worse/better than Andreoff for this season?

Leaving AA in the A to develop could mean the difference between him being a Top-9 player or merely a 4th liner in the NHL. I'd love for him to stay in Manchester, play in all situations and assume a leadership role. Pearson and Vey should stay as well unless injuries dictate otherwise.

I will also echo the sentiments regarding the 40 game clause regarding Carcillo. He may just be the new Richardson, although he's been injury prone so the 40 game clause could be looked at in a different light if you go that route...Deano not wanting to give a 5th if he goes and blows his knee out again.

On the issue of his knee, last season was Carcillo's first after the ACL tear. As we know, it usually takes another season to get back to 100%. Kings have good experience picking up guys with ACL tears from Chicago (Handzus) so let's see how he looks before claiming he's washed up and done because of the knee injury.

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This just posted on Hockeybuzz. It's a very good read. To all doubters...pfffttttt

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Guest...5#.Ueb6pI21ErU

By Jason Lewis

"Yesterday the Los Angeles Kings got a little bit tougher, nastier, and improved the quality of their player nicknames by a wide margin with the addition of Daniel ‘Carbomb’ ‘Gorilla Salad’ Carcillo.

Carcillo, 28, who is just coming off a Stanley Cup winning season with the Chicago Blackhawks was traded yesterday for a conditional sixth-round pick in the 2015 NHL entry draft. The King City, Ontario native was used sparingly by the Hawks but still managed to play enough to earn a ring.

While the immediate reaction seemed to be confusion, and my initial reaction also bordered on, “What for?” The move makes complete sense for a couple of different reasons. Does anyone recall last postseason how much you hated David Perron by the end of the Blues series? That’s right, the same David Perron who took every opportunity he could to fall on, sit on, spray ice at, and get in the face of King goaltender Jonathan Quick. I’m sure you also all remember Raffi Torres taking the head off of Jarret Stoll and what a huge impact that made for the remainder of the playoffs. How about T.J. Galiardi trying to do his best Perron impression during the Shark series? The Kings’ fourth line was also physically dominated for a good majority of the playoffs.

Now let’s not get ahead of ourselves or overconfident and say Dan Carcillo is the panacea for all the ill that transpired in the playoffs towards the Kings. He’s not. However, what Carcillo is when he is at his best, is a grade-A agitator, distraction, and a decent hockey player to boot. Carcillo can be quite effective at getting into the heads of opposing teams and fans alike when he is out there doing his thing. The Kings have always carried a sort of quiet agitation to their game, but it just got a little more verbal and tangible with the addition of Car Bomb. Instead of trying to take a run at Quick, with Carcillo on the ice it’s possible the teams get tired of hearing him yap and go at him instead.



Another huge factor, and one that comes as a surprise to me, is the recent rumors swirling around about the contract negotiations of Kyle Clifford. Whether it’s because the Kings feel he is asking for too much money, or they feel he hasn’t stepped up when the opportunity presented itself, all signs seem to be pointing to Clifford being on his way out of town. I myself didn’t believe it to a certain extent until I read a tweet last night from Dennis Bernstein of the Fourth Period stating the following:



Well, there you have it. Clifford, 22, had a great season when you consider the step back he took in the 2011-12 season after getting absolutely jacked by both Ryan Reeves of the St. Louis Blues:

Clifford would be a decent loss considering his offensive upside, but if he is asking for too much money then he is signing his own death warrant. Dean Lombardi still has Clifford, Nolan, and the hardworking Trevor Lewis to resign with just over $2.2 million in cap space to do so. I would be surprised if the Kings let Lewis go, and Clifford might have priced himself out of the picture and the good faith of Dean Lombardi and the Los Angeles Kings.

More on Daniel Carcillo though. At 28, Carcillo still has a lot left to offer in the league. He plays a simple agitating style and has twice chipped in over 20 points in his usually abbreviated six seasons of NHL play. He’s never truly been an every day player, but Carcillo has been noted as a great locker room guy wherever he has gone. Shortly after the trade, and even before it, people were already mentioning how Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were good buddies with Carcillo back in the Flyer days of old, before the dry island mess and the goaltending implosion. In one of the more cohesive and laid back locker rooms in the league Carcillo shouldn’t have a problem fitting right in, especially if he can endear himself to his teammates and coaches by staying out of the box and while still playing the edgy style that has got him his reputation. If the Kings do end up losing Clifford, and in all likelihood it seems it’s going to happen, Carcillo is a cheap replacement that only cost the Kings a conditional sixth-round pick. His contract is cheap at 850k a year, and he is signed through next year and that is all. By that time Kyle Clifford 2.0, AKA Andy Andreoff, might be ready to go as an NHL player, making the transition seamless. With the division reorganized next year to include the Oilers, Flames and Canucks, the Kings had to get tougher and a little bit nastier.

So love it, hate it, disgusted by it, or intrigued by it, Car Bomb/Gorilla Salad, whichever you prefer, is now an L.A. King."

And just to agitate...


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I'm sure Richards is hoping to not have Carcillo again on his wing,,.
Eh, Carter would be more worried:


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The 40 game condition on the trade speaks volumes.
This. Carcillo is not being brought in as a planned regular in the line up. More likely, he'll take Richardson's place in the press box and come in when injuries pop up, or a rival with a goon/cheapshot artist (SJ and Torres for example) are on the schedule.

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If we want to go by Cup-winning management track records, Chicago's GM was happy to get rid of him for next to nothing. They are going to promote some solid young players from the AHL instead. Seems like a pretty good strategy to me.
Chicago is in even worse cap shape than we are. Even after this trade they have less projected cap room than we do. It's like a miniature version of what happened after the 2010 cup run for Chicago, when they were dumping guys like Byfuglien and Versteeg. When you have to cut costs, the first type of guy to go should be a Carcillo, a spare piece. It has nothing to do with promoting someone from within.

Additionally, who would you like LA to promote from within to take Carcillo's place? Carcillo is being brought in to fill a particular skill set, to bring in toughness and muscle. Now, we can debate how affective he is/will be, but that's why he was brought in. Who in Manchester would you like to see us promote to fill that role exactly?

Of the guys posters here like to bandy about as being 'ready' to jump to the NHL for forwards, you have Toffoli, Pearson, Andreoff and Vey. The only one who is at all close to a true pfyical force is Andreoff, and he nots someone who fits into Carcillo's role, nor should he be coming in as a rookie to fill the enforcer/fighter role that Carcillo is. That'd be just asking for him to get filled.

Assuming Clifford is on his way out the door, which is possible but not guaranteed, you can either have Carcillo and Nolan as your main fighters, or Nolan and Andreoff. Which do you prefer? I'm no Carcillo fan at all, but I take the Carcillo and Nolan combo any day. I'd rather see Andreoff stay in Manchester for another year (I disagree with many posters here, including TG (sorry TG!) and think he needs another year in the A anyways) and develop his skill set with likely more minutes in more critical situations than I would be seeing him eating fists in the NHL playing 5-6 minutes a night when he's not in the pressbox.

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If we want to go by Cup-winning management track records, Chicago's GM was happy to get rid of him for next to nothing. They are going to promote some solid young players from the AHL instead. Seems like a pretty good strategy to me.

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Chicago and LA are completely different teams. Besides, Carcillo was very, very good for Chicago when healthy.

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