I just thought after the Luongo saga Canuck fans were turning on Gillis, not to mention hiring Torts
Didn't like the way the goalie situation was played at all, but I understand the rational of it. Luongo's contract seemed unmovable so bringing in a player like Horvat and keeping Luongo who's essentially a wash with Schneider made some sense. Loved the Torts hiring.
Yeah I get that Clifford has sort of stagnated and whatnot...but dude...Carcillo.
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How much would Clifford be after? North of 1.5M? 2ish? Man. Crossing fingers right now.
I think this may be the issue why he is likely gone.
Statistically, he had a decent season, but he got worse as the season went along, by the time the playoffs rolled around he was IMO the Kings least impressive player most nights.
The thing with Clifford is, he needs to be a physical and aggressive player to be able to play in the top 9, he has decent hands but is a disaster defensively and takes ridiculously stupid penalties at bad times. I thought during his rookie year he could be one of those guys that you could put with a couple of skilled players and he would be able to compliment them well, after the Kings tried that numerous times this year, having him with Carter/Richards and Kopitar I am not so sure that Clifford has it between the ears to be any more than a 4th line tough guy with above average hands (for a tough guy)
Tanev is our one consistent stud? stud? not because of his offence or physical play or 17 minutes per game I'm guessing.
He's been capable, NHL ready but hasn't been anything close to a stud. His 2 goals and 10 points in 102 NHL games isn't stud like.
He's been a good third pairing d-man, nothing more.
Tanev is fantastic in his role, and hopefully for his price, I would not trade clifford for him even though I like clifford.
Tanev is a very reliable defender who can even slot in our top 4. So when he said consistent stud, clearly he was referring to his defensive responsibilities, in his role even though it has been bottom pairing minutes, he has done his job consistently well for someone making a small wage.
Yea he does not put up points, but when bieksa and edler are trying to rack up points and missing defensive assignments you will be the first to complain about them.
Tanev is an ideal player in the role we have him in, as long as he stays reliable in his own zone and can continue to make good passes he is exactly what we need as 5th, and possible 4th fill in defender when someone is injured. The kings have the best shutdown D in the league imo when healthy, we dont need to bolster their bottom pairing in our division next year by sending them tanev.
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I'd love to add Clifford and he could help to make our bottom 6 a little more respectable. That said we dealt our 2nd in the Perron trade so perhaps some prospects would interest LA? Guys like Musil, Gernat and Simpson on D, a guy like Anton Lander who plays C, or maybe even a guy like Toni Rajala who is small but has a lot of skill and had a very solid AHL rookie season. We'd need to add to any one of these guys in all likelihood.
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Maybe Montreal doesnt have anything LA wants in which Montreal is willing to part with. Of course, why use logic like this. Its easier to call people stupid then realize deals take into both teams wants and valuations of players.
The only reason that Montreal could be ruled out is if they were the ones pushing to make a deal but both sides couldn't come to an agreement.
Offered Palat and a late rounder, but somebody mentioned Clifford is terrible defensivly, so I would not be willing to trade Palat for him.
Would you have interest in Tom Pyatt and a 4th?? Costs only 600k, great PKer, 16 points in 43games this year, great defensivly and a great locker room guy (quit, if he has to sit out), gives always 110% and plays all 3 forward positions good.
I know this sounds like the perfect bottom liner and some might question, why I even throw in a 4th rounder, but for some reason Pyatt never got any recognition for his work and has no future after his contract expires with the Lightning, as he is not though enough for the bottom line (with an as soft lineup as we have we need physicality there badly) and not good enough offensivly for our third line, as Palat, Johnson and Brown/ Panik/ Connolly/ Purcell all have superior offensive games.
but somebody mentioned Clifford is terrible defensivly, so I would not be willing to trade Palat for him.
Kings are one of the top-3 or 4 defensive teams in the NHL for many seasons now. Kyle Clifford is the only player in Lombardi's tenure who has been rushed to the NHL and he's missed 7 regular season games in 3 years. Do you honestly believe on a top defensive team he'd be playing that much if he wasn't an effective back checker?
Whoever said he was bad defensively doesn't know what they're talking about at all. Darryl Sutter doesn't give ice time to poor defensive players. They sit or get sent out...period. In all likelihood they wouldn't even be brought up in the first place. Over 3 years, Clifford has rarely if ever been benched and is a career minus-14 which says a lot considering he's 22-years old and has never played a regular shift on a top-6 (scoring) line.
Clifford is as responsible defensively as any winger the Kings have. It's a shame if they trade him. They shouldn't.
I think he's worth more than the #35 pick. And before anyone scream their heads off about losing a "high" draft pick, since 1997 only 3 players selected with the #35 choice have played more than 100 games in the NHL: Brad Winchester, Marc-Edouard Vlasic and Kyle Clifford. So I think its safe to say that he's better than an average #35 choice
So as far as the Kings will want? Well given the cap space remaining and the RFA that still pending contracts, I think it will be something of little to no cap space in return. So maybe a 2nd and a prospect or something like that
And quite frankly, most people are ecstatic about Torts.
Just wait till your defensemen start throwing the puck around the boards when there's any sort of pressure by the other team. It's the start of a lot of the problems we had.
Rangers would be interested in Clifford. We're getting a little soft. Would a 3rd and Powe do it? Actually, that's probably underpayment. Maybe a 2nd? Pyatt might need to go the other way just for salary reasons.