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Tyler Motte (C) 1995-03-10 USND (USHL) 26GP 11G 6A 17PTS 6PIM +14 0 0%
Klas Dahlbeck (D) 1991-07-06 Rockford (AHL) 70GP 1G 5A 6Pts +11 29PIM 0 0%
Mark McNeill (C) 1993-02-22 7.0C Prince Albert (WHL) 65GP 25G 42A 67Pts +4 43PIM 14 28.57%
Garret Ross (LW) 1992-05-26 Saginaw (OHL) 61GP 44G 46A 90Pts +31 114PIM 2 4.08%
Stephen Johns (D) 1992-04-18 7.0C Notre Dame (CCHA) 41GP 1G 13A 14Pts 62PIM 8 16.33%
Ben Smith (RW) 1988-07-11 6.5B Rockford (AHL) 54GP 27G 20A 47Pts +17 13PIM 3 6.12%
Kent Simpson (G) 1992-03-26 Toledo (ECHL) 41GP 20-14-5 2.36GAA .912% 0 0%
Drew LeBlanc (F) 1989-06-29 7.0C St. Cloud (WCHA) 42GP 13G 37A 50Pts 14PIM 11 22.45%
Jimmy Hayes (RW) 1989-11-21 7.0C Rockford (AHL) 67GP 25G 20A 45Pts = 23PIM 4 8.16%
Kevin Hayes (F) 1992-05-08 7.0C Boston (H-East) 27GP 6G 19A 25Pts 14PIM 5 10.20%
Dillon Fournier (D) 1994-06-15 6.5C Rouyn-Norando (QMJHL) 59GP 6G 18A 24Pts +8 61PIM 0 0%
Chris Calnan (RW) 1994-05-05 6.5C South Shore (EJHL) 32GP 27G 22A 49Pts 35PIM 0 0%
Alex Broadhurst (C) 1993-03-07 6.5C London (OHL) 65GP 23G 40A 63Pts +30 36PIM 0 0%
Justin Holl (D) 1992-01-30 6.5C U of Minnesota (WCHA) 35GP 3G 4A 7Pts 10PIM 0 0%
Maxim Shalunov (F) 1993-01-31 7.0D Chelmet (VHL) 19GP 2G 7A 9Pts -10 10PIM 1 2.04%
Brandon Whitney (G) 1994-05-11 7.0D Victoriaville (QMJHL) 58GP 27-20-6 .900% 3.09GAA 0 0%
Carl Dahlstrom (D) 1995-01-28 Linkoping J20 (SElite) 37GP 5G 8A 12Pts +18 12PIM 0 0%
John Hayden (C) 1995-02-14 USNDT (USHL) 24GP 11G 9A 20Pts +13 51PIM 1 2.04%
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07-19-2013, 08:12 PM
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Chicago Blackhawks #9 Prospect

Who's our #7 prospect. Feel free to use your own interpretation of the term "best prospect."... whether that be most upside, or most likely to have a good NHL career. This will run for two days unless there is an overwhelming favorite at the 24 hour mark. VOTE NOW!

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#1 - Brandon Saad (LW)
1992-10-27 7.5C Chicago Blackhawks 46GP 10G 17A 27Pts +17 12PIM Calder Trophy Candidate
Drafted - 2-43-2011 by Chicago

Unanimous

#2 - Teuvo Teravainen (F)
1994-09-11 7.5C Jokerit Helsinki (SM-liiga) 44GP 13G 18A 31Pts +2 6PIM
Drafted - 1-18-2012 by Chicago

79.45% of votes

#3 - Brandon Pirri (C)
1991-04-10 7.0C Rockford (AHL) 76GP 22G 53A 75Pts +11 72PIM
Drafted - 2-59-2009 by Chicago

32.20% of votes

#4 - Phillip Danault (C)
1993-02-24 7.0C Moncton (QMJHL) 56GP 23G 62A 85Pts +16 50PIM
Drafted - 1-26-2011 by Chicago

41.51% of votes

#5 - Adam Clendening (D)
1992-10-26 7.0C Rockford (AHL) 73GP 9G 37A 46Pts +17 67PIM
Drafted - 2-36-2011 by Chicago

32.65% of votes

#6 - Jeremy Morin (LW)
1991-04-16 7.0C Rockford (AHL) 67GP 30G 28A 58Pts +2 86PIM
Drafted - 2-45-2009 by Atlanta
Acquired - Alongside Marty Reasoner, Joey Crabb, 1st in 2010 (Kevin Hayes), and 2nd in 2010 (Justin Holl) for Brent Sopel, Ben Eager, Dustin Byfuglien and Akim Aliu

43.10% of votes

#7 - Antti Raanta (G)
1989-05-12 7.0D Assat (SM-liiga) 45GP 21-10-11 .943% 1.85GAA
Acquired - UFA 2013

Tied for 7th, 52.17% of votes on revote

#8 - Ryan Hartman (C) (LW)
1994-09-20 Plymouth (OHL) 56GP 23G 37A 60Pts +29 120PIM
Drafted - 1-30-2013 by Chicago

Tied for 7th, 47.83% of votes on revote

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I went with LeBlah. He's got a good upside and a high ceiling.

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Mark McNeill.

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McNeill's stagnant Junior production is concerning but I voted for him anyways. Is there historical precedence for a player not really improving his point production in Juniors and still reaching their earlier projections?

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Players who didn't improve their production, or didn't have linear production totals: Ryan Getzlaf, Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg.. just off the top of my head (specifically coming out of the WHL).

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Players who didn't improve their production, or didn't have linear production totals: Ryan Getzlaf, Andrew Ladd, Kris Versteeg.. just off the top of my head (specifically coming out of the WHL).
Interesting that Getzlaf and Ladd played together on the Calgary Hitmen.

03-04:
Ladd- 71 GP 30 G 45 A 75 pts
Getzlaf- 49 GP 28 G 47 A 75 pts

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Getzlaf- 51 GP 29 G 25 A 54 pts
Ladd- 65 GP 19 G 26 A 45 pts

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McNeil. I'd be happy with a Gratton type player from him.

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McNeil. I'd be happy with a Gratton type player from him.
Someone who snarls like a lion, plays a season and a half, and--

Oh. That Gratton.

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Voted for LeBlanc. I would have gone with Johns, but I see he's out of the running.

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Smith. apparently people forget what he did in the playoffs against the canucks, and luongo..

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That was a terrible argument for him in 2011 and it's even more so now. Smith is not going to be a top-6 forward in the NHL. I said it back then, it's all the clearer now.

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That was a terrible argument for him in 2011 and it's even more so now. Smith is not going to be a top-6 forward in the NHL. I said it back then, it's all the clearer now.
so you can predict the future huh? Where am I in 10 years?!!

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That was a terrible argument for him in 2011 and it's even more so now. Smith is not going to be a top-6 forward in the NHL. I said it back then, it's all the clearer now.
Why do you think he has to be a potential top-6 forward to get voted as the 9th best prospect? Let's be honest here... although someone will probably surprise us (and hopefully they do!) - at this point there's nobody left to vote on that is odd-on to be a top-6 forward in the NHL.

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Leblanc and sarava, there are enough guys left with top6/top4 potential left.

Jayes, kayes, johns, mcneill and you can add fournier or hayden too + leblanc. We have that kind of depht. We just lack those blue chippers. "only" have 1 in TT

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While we may not agree on where these guys will land - the next question is...who's to say a good bottom 6er isn't worthy of being voted above a longshot top 6 prospect? People can make their own criteria and that's fine.

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It's just about their potential. I doubt 50% reach their ceiling and even 50% is too high. But with THIS depth it's no problem

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While we may not agree on where these guys will land - the next question is...who's to say a good bottom 6er isn't worthy of being voted above a longshot top 6 prospect? People can make their own criteria and that's fine.
His criteria is that Ben Smith scored 3 goals in the playoffs 2 years ago. That doesn't mean anything.

Should Dylan Olsen be voted above Stephen Johns and Adam Clendening because he's played 29 NHL games last year, including a playoff game?

As for which prospects have top-6 upside, of those remaining: Mark McNeill, Kevin Hayes and Drew LeBlanc.

Prospects with top-4 upside: Stephen Johns, Carl Dahlstrom and Dillon Fournier.

Then you have guys with potential, but with bigger question marks/risks in Anthony Louis, Tyler Motte, John Hayden, Robin Press, Vince Hinostroza, Michael Paliotta, Maxim Salunov, Alex Broadhurst, Nick Mattson, Joakim Nordstrom, Dylan Olsen, etc.

Ben Smith is a safe bet to be a 4th line forward at this point. Anything above that is pushing it. Again, I'm a big Ben Smith fan, but I'm realistic in terms of where he fits into an NHL line-up. He's a smaller, stocky forward, who's not particularly fast and solid defensively. He has third line upside, but I don't know if he'll get there. If he doesn't, he'll be a utility forward in the NHL. Nothing wrong with that, and he has a pedigree for winning.

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said there. I think there's 2 categories though. Your highest potential - and likelihood of reaching such potential.

For example. If someone were to say Mark McNeill has top 6 potential, and Ben Smith is top 9 potential at best and even that's a stretch. But then they add that in 5 years, they expect Ben Smith to be an NHL 4th liner and that Mark McNeill will be in some Euro or Beer league. Then they would have every right to vote for Smith as the better prospect, despite the lower ceiling.

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said there. I think there's 2 categories though. Your highest potential - and likelihood of reaching such potential.

For example. If someone were to say Mark McNeill has top 6 potential, and Ben Smith is top 9 potential at best and even that's a stretch. But then they add that in 5 years, they expect Ben Smith to be an NHL 4th liner and that Mark McNeill will be in some Euro or Beer league. Then they would have every right to vote for Smith as the better prospect, despite the lower ceiling.
Right, but there's nothing to suggest that Mark McNeill will be in a "Euro or Beer" league and McNeill projects as safely as a third liner in the NHL as Ben Smith does as a 4th liner at this point.

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Euro is now seen as beer league?

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Euro is now seen as beer league?
You don't know what the word 'or' means?

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I know but that's like saying I want to buy a Mercedes or a Hyundai....

It gets mentioned in the same way like he would play in euro or a beer league, who cares it's the same

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I know but that's like saying I want to buy a Mercedes or a Hyundai....

It gets mentioned in the same way like he would play in euro or a beer league, who cares it's the same
While it would be better for McNeill's career if he was a solid European-league player as opposed to a Beer Leaguer, neither would make much of a difference to the Hawks.

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