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Most significant "missing piece" players?

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07-18-2013, 10:22 AM
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Chris Pronger with Anaheim and Brendan Shanahan with Detroit.

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Marian Hossa is the "missing piece" of the last while

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07-18-2013, 11:35 AM
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I was gonna post this. Before the new and improved Parent returned to Philly they weren't set in net. That seems to be the franchise's go-to move, though
Same could be said of Brodeur in Jersey. They were starting to build a great team, but they needed a goalies to really push them to the top echelon.

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First name that came to mind was Goring. Shanny is another good one.

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07-18-2013, 01:07 PM
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Ronnie Franchise to the Pens is a big piece they needed.

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07-18-2013, 01:14 PM
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he gets overshadowed by shanahan and larry murphy, and rightfully so, but an underrated missing piece is joey kocur. in 1996 claude lemieux breaks draper's face and they go on to win the series and the cup. christmas of '96 the wings pick up kocur, maybe the most feared guy of his era. suddenly the avs don't run around playing tough guy as much, or at least when they do so they know the wings have gone from a skill team with a bunch of tougher guys that didn't mind standing up for themselves to a tough team with a nuclear option on the bench. the psychological edge was gone. kocur didn't actually do much other than play his fourth line shift, score the odd goal, and sit on the bench, but he didn't have to. in game four, when he dumped eric messier for no reason, it was almost like a twelfth grader tossing a ninth grader telling him and his buddies to cut it out. and that, on top of just being there (he played all six games of the WCF), was enough.
Interesting point with regards to Kocur and his impact on the rivalry with the Avs. Conversely I think Colorado's trading of Chris Simon for Keith Jones had a negative impact on the Avs being able to answer. Jones was a fine player but couldn't stay healthy, and though a gritty was definitely not the "nuclear option" that Simon was. I think back to Simon in the previous year's playoffs destroying Probert after Bob had layed out Sakic. A year later Kocur's able to dump Messier and Shanahan thumping Corbet (nevermind McCarthy jumping Lemeiux) without Colorado having a proper deterrent. Brent Severyn was certainly not striking fear into anyone and was such a lousy hockey player he hardly saw time in the playoffs. Bad move by Lacroix and Crawford.

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07-18-2013, 01:18 PM
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For sure, I just thought the theme of thread was more about a team trading for the piece that got them over the hump.

Dryden in '71 and Roy in '86 are definite examples of teams getting that piece out of their system.
Well if it's a missing piece via trade then Frank Mahovlich in '71 is the obvious answer.

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I was gonna post this. Before the new and improved Parent returned to Philly they weren't set in net. That seems to be the franchise's go-to move, though

This is barely history, but Jeff Carter. Adding him changed LA for the better. They were a different team after adding him and went on a tear. I had watched them all year because of Quick and Richards, and his addition turned them into a different team.
As did the Flyers after moving Carter and Richards. Although their defense and goaltending was their main weakness the last couple of years, those two were their heart and soul for the 2010 playoffs. I was very surprised to see them moved.

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Brian Burke in Anaheim: acquires Travis Moen & Todd Marchant; signs Selanne,
Scott Neidermeyer; adds Chris Pronger who's unhappy wife wants out of Edmonton.

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07-18-2013, 05:31 PM
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he gets overshadowed by shanahan and larry murphy, and rightfully so, but an underrated missing piece is joey kocur. in 1996 claude lemieux breaks draper's face and they go on to win the series and the cup. christmas of '96 the wings pick up kocur, maybe the most feared guy of his era. suddenly the avs don't run around playing tough guy as much, or at least when they do so they know the wings have gone from a skill team with a bunch of tougher guys that didn't mind standing up for themselves to a tough team with a nuclear option on the bench. the psychological edge was gone. kocur didn't actually do much other than play his fourth line shift, score the odd goal, and sit on the bench, but he didn't have to. in game four, when he dumped eric messier for no reason, it was almost like a twelfth grader tossing a ninth grader telling him and his buddies to cut it out. and that, on top of just being there (he played all six games of the WCF), was enough.
Yeah but still you got to realise Lemieux and Kocur was two entirely different kind of tier players. Claude was a top-6 player who took what was coming to him, did not turtle when not dizzy while Joey Kocur was a bum getting paid spare change.

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1. Goring
2. Bill Ranford ( 1989-90 Cup champs)
3. Dryden 1971
4. Noonan & Matteau
5. Parent back to Philly
6. Francis & Samuelsson & Tocchet in 1991
7. Pronger in 2007 Anaheim
8. Larry Murphy in 1996 ( Red Wings get 2 cup in 97 & 98)
9. Roy in 1996 to Colorado

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07-18-2013, 09:07 PM
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On the flip side,...

No team had a bigger missing piece unobtained than the 2010 Philadelphia Flyers LACKING a goaltender with marginal NHLers Leighton and Boucher getting yanked from games despite playing behind a great defense. Give the team an average NHL starter (not even one of the best) and they would have gone farther than Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals (read: they would have won the cup). That was a very significant missing piece. (Since then their blueline has been decimated and goaltending up and down, not yet stable.)

The 1999 Buffalo Sabres had a glaring missing piece in not having even a single first line scorer. Defenders Wooley and Zhitnik led them in scoring to Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals because the team lacked any top line scorers, having Curtis Brown and Michael Peca as its two top scorers in the postseason. Give them one bloody true NHL first line scorer and it would likely have meant the cup rather than the Game 6 OT loss. The team rode Hasek like an overloaded Chilean pack mule on the slopes of the Andes.


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07-18-2013, 09:16 PM
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Re: the Hasek-beast-mode Sabres: ******* Carolina for outbidding us for Francis.

Also Regier for screwing the Peca situation.

And the 06 Sabres missing piece was a depth defenseman who wasn't Fitzpatrick, even though they had seen enough of him to discern he was terrible.

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07-18-2013, 09:48 PM
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On the flip side,...

No team had a bigger missing piece unobtained than the 2010 Philadelphia Flyers LACKING a goaltender with marginal NHLers Leighton and Boucher getting yanked from games despite playing behind a great defense. Give the team an average NHL starter (not even one of the best) and they would have gone farther than Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals (read: they would have won the cup). That was a very significant missing piece. (Since then their blueline has been decimated and goaltending up and down, not yet stable.)
Since Hextall's Conn the Flyers have never had consistency in net. They've had so many guys try and for various reasons fail or get blamed for the team underperforming it's ridiculous.

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07-19-2013, 09:24 AM
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Kiprusoff to Calgary. They were a decent and deep team up front, but Turek/Vernon/Brathwaite/etc were always pretty bad. Kipper turned a them into a consistant playoff team.

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Kiprusoff to Calgary.
1988 the trade with St.Louis that brought Gilmour (in particular),
Hunter & Bozek to Calgary, winning the SC spring of 89...

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Peverley and Kelly for Boston in 2011.

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Anderson was a bigger piece than Larmer.
Can I have what you're smoking? The Rangers probably have an easier time keeping Gartner instead of getting Anderson. He did diddly squat in the playoffs. Larmer meanwhile was the Rangers 2nd line center. In fact, acquiring him essentially gave the Rangers 2 number 1 centers.

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Brett Hull, Hasek and Robitaille for the Wings in 2001.

Bill Guerin and Chris Kunitz for the Penguins in 2009.

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Frank Mahovlich trade to Montreal. He had a great playoff

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1988 the trade with St.Louis that brought Gilmour (in particular),
Hunter & Bozek to Calgary, winning the SC spring of 89...
Gilmour to Calgary was the first one I thought of.

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Peverley and Kelly for Boston in 2011.
Horton and Campbell too.

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Can I have what you're smoking? The Rangers probably have an easier time keeping Gartner instead of getting Anderson. He did diddly squat in the playoffs. Larmer meanwhile was the Rangers 2nd line center. In fact, acquiring him essentially gave the Rangers 2 number 1 centers.
larmer was RW.

according to this thread, rangers fans report that anderson played first line RW for most of the run, with kovalev moving up when they needed to stack the messier/graves line for offense. larmer was usually second line RW. not saying larmer wasn't more valuable than anderson, because he certainly was, just that larmer wasn't the 2nd line center (kovalev was).

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I'll say Marty Barry. Highest scoring forward in the 30's, was traded from Boston to Red Wings for Cooney Weiland in the 1935 offseason. Red Wings won their first ever cups in 1936 and 1937, back to back.

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I'll say Marty Barry. Highest scoring forward in the 30's, was traded from Boston to Red Wings for Cooney Weiland in the 1935 offseason. Red Wings won their first ever cups in 1936 and 1937, back to back.
Yeah, I've come across a historical reference to the size and finishing ability that Barry provided that dimunitive Weiland lacked. It was seen in at least one account as the turning point for the Red Wings.

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