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07-19-2013, 08:33 AM
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Player/Prospect Comparisons

I know a lot of people don't like these, but it's July, IMO the most boring sports month of the year... so here's some comparisons I've made of our prospects/younger players to current players in the league.

Grigorenko= Kopitar
Hodgson= Stastny
Girgensons= O'Reilly
Larsson= Hecht
Foligno= Brouwer
Armia= Eriksson


Ristolainen- Seabrook
Zadorov- Kronwall?
Pysyk- Hamhuis/Keith?
McNabb- Coburn
McCabe- Gunnarson

-Some of these guys may exceed these expectations, some may not reach them, but I just think it's fun to project them at the next level.

Thoughts?

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I know a lot of people don't like these, but it's July, IMO the most boring sports month of the year... so here's some comparisons I've made of our prospects/younger players to current players in the league.

Grigorenko= Kopitar
Hodgson= Stastny
Girgensons= O'Reilly
Larsson= Hecht
Foligno= Brouwer
Armia= Eriksson


Ristolainen- Seabrook
Zadorov- Kronwall?
Pysyk- Hamhuis/Keith?
McNabb- Coburn
McCabe- Gunnarson

-Some of these guys may exceed these expectations, some may not reach them, but I just think it's fun to project them at the next level.

Thoughts?
I think we should do I High and Medium (Low being unworthy of comparison/low level player/bust). High being maxed out potential. Medium being acceptable/likely...

This is meant to be fun... not nitpicked to death

Grigorenko
High = Joe Thornton
Med = Viktor Kozlov

Hodgson
High = Logan Couture
Med = Matt Cullen

Girgensons
High = Ryan Kesler
Med = Brandon Dubinsky/Mike Fisher

Larsson
High = Bryan Little
Med = Sam Pahlsson

Foligno
High = Ryan Clowe
Med = Travis Moen

Armia
High = Loui Eriksson
Med = Devin Setoguchi

Ristolainen

High = Chris Pronger
Med = Nik Kronwall

Zadorov
High = Shea Weber
Med = Anton Volcheknov

Pysyk
High = Travis Hamonic
Med = Henrik Tallinder


McNabb
High = Eric Brewer
Med = Ryan O'byrne

McCabe
High = Brad Stuart
Med = Derek Morris

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07-19-2013, 09:06 AM
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Grigorenko= TBH, Malkin at best but reasonably his a good Staal level player
Hodgson= Briere?
Girgensons= Drury
Larsson= Hecht (better ability though)
Foligno= Ott/Downie



Ristolainen- Pronger, little less brutal
Zadorov- Chara's style, not sure his got the same ceiling though. Chara is an amazing player.
Pysyk- Hmm, Tallinder/Lydman/Teppo?

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07-19-2013, 09:19 AM
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I think we should do I High and Medium (Low being unworthy of comparison/low level player/bust). High being maxed out potential. Medium being acceptable/likely...

This is meant to be fun... not nitpicked to death

Grigorenko
High = Joe Thornton
Med = Viktor Kozlov

Hodgson
High = Logan Couture
Med = Matt Cullen

Girgensons
High = Ryan Kesler
Med = Brandon Dubinsky/Mike Fisher

Larsson
High = Bryan Little
Med = Sam Pahlsson

Foligno
High = Ryan Clowe
Med = Travis Moen

Armia
High = Loui Eriksson
Med = Devin Setoguchi

Ristolainen

High = Chris Pronger
Med = Nik Kronwall

Zadorov
High = Shea Weber
Med = Anton Volcheknov

Pysyk
High = Travis Hamonic
Med = Henrik Tallinder


McNabb
High = Eric Brewer
Med = Ryan O'byrne

McCabe
High = Brad Stuart
Med = Derek Morris
Nice Jame, I think yours are much better than mine were, and that's the fun in it. And yes, a high/low, or high/medium is a good idea.

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Hodgson = Hodgson to Giroux
Grigorenko = Spezza
Girgensons = Backes
Pysyk = Oduya
Ristolainen = Weber
Zadorov = no idea, very rare skill set

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Hodgson = Hodgson to Giroux
Grigorenko = Spezza
Girgensons = Backes
Pysyk = Oduya
Ristolainen = Weber
Zadorov = no idea, very rare skill set
I thought I was the only one that saw Grigorenko as a Spezza type player.

Some of our Higher End Prospects

Grigorenko:
High: Spezza
Low: Victor Kozlov

Girgensen:
High: Mike Richards
Low: Peca

Pysyk:
High: Timonen
Low: Lydman

Armia:
High: Kovalchuk
Low: Ryder

Risto:
High: Pietrangelo
Low: Carle

Zadorov:
High: Byfuglien???
Low: Douglas Murray

Larsson:
High: Patrice Bergeron
Low: Stempniak


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07-19-2013, 02:34 PM
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Grigorenko:
High- Malkin/Thornton
Med-Berglund/Ribeiro/Antropov(ew)

Girgensons:
High-M. Richards/E.Staal
Med-Hanzal/Ruutu/Lapierre

Armia:
High- Semin/Lupul/Perry
Med-Wheeler/Stafford

Foligno:
High-Clarkson/Hartnell
Med-Penner/Torres

Pysyk:
High-Keith/Voynov/McDonagh
Med-Hjalmarsson/Hamhuis

Ristolainen:
High-Seabrook/Myers(good Tyler)
Med-Boychuk/Bogosian

Zadorov:
High-Kronwall/Phaneuf
Med-Emelin/Coburn

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07-19-2013, 02:49 PM
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To me I see a lot of Kopitar in Girgorenko, nit just bc they're both east Europeans, but because of the fact that he can score and make plays equally well. Whereas a guy like Thorton is much more of a distributor.

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Hodgson-Krejci
Grigorenko-E.Staal
Girgensons-Backes
Armia-Lupul
Larsson-Eller

Ristolainen-Phaneuf
Zadorov-Kronwall
Pysyk-Dillon
McNabb-Volchenkov
McCabe-Beauchemin

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Hodgson - Krejci
Ennis - Perron
Grigorenko - Spezza
Girgensons - Dustin Brown / Ryan Callahan
Larsson - Mike Richards
Armia - Not to sure. Maybe Lupul like others have said.

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Jame's are really good. My only critique is making Pysyk's high = Hamonic. Hamonic is only 22, so we don't really even know what his ceiling is. Pysyk could easily turn out to be better. Who knows?

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Grigorenko = Spezza
Hodgson = Little
Girgensons = Brindamour
Larsson = Lehtonen
Foligno = Penner
Armia = Semin


Ristolainen = Seabrook
Zadorov = Bogosian
Pysyk = Keith
McNabb = Greene
McCabe = McDonagh

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I think we should do I High and Medium (Low being unworthy of comparison/low level player/bust). High being maxed out potential. Medium being acceptable/likely...

This is meant to be fun... not nitpicked to death

Grigorenko
High = Joe Thornton
Med = Viktor Kozlov

Hodgson
High = Logan Couture
Med = Matt Cullen

Girgensons
High = Ryan Kesler
Med = Brandon Dubinsky/Mike Fisher

Larsson
High = Bryan Little
Med = Sam Pahlsson

Foligno
High = Ryan Clowe
Med = Travis Moen

Armia
High = Loui Eriksson
Med = Devin Setoguchi

Ristolainen

High = Chris Pronger
Med = Nik Kronwall

Zadorov
High = Shea Weber
Med = Anton Volcheknov

Pysyk
High = Travis Hamonic
Med = Henrik Tallinder


McNabb
High = Eric Brewer
Med = Ryan O'byrne

McCabe
High = Brad Stuart
Med = Derek Morris
This is damn near perfect. Question- is Bryan Little really that good defensively?

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Grigorenko reminds me a lot of Joe Thornton. If he can work on his skating and develop better speed than potentially Evgeni Malkin. The hands, poise and vision are very similar. For some reason I see him shaping out to be an Anze Kopitar, which I would be quite happy with.

Joel Armia is very similar to that of Jason Spezza and or Corey Perry.

Girgensons will NEVER be a Ryan Kesler...not a chance for whom ever suggested that. Ryan Kesler has a very high skill set. Girgensons is strictly a defensive type player. This guy is THE over rated prospect on this team. Drafted way too high IMO. Potenital = Jeff Halpern

Marcus Foligno reminds me a lot of David Clarkson. Extremely similar attributes and qualities.

I also see a very bright future with Hodgson, Pysyk, and Ristolainen.

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Grigorenko reminds me a lot of Joe Thornton. If he can work on his skating and develop better speed than potentially Evgeni Malkin. The hands, poise and vision are very similar. For some reason I see him shaping out to be an Anze Kopitar, which I would be quite happy with.

Joel Armia is very similar to that of Jason Spezza and or Corey Perry.

Girgensons will NEVER be a Ryan Kesler...not a chance for whom ever suggested that. Ryan Kesler has a very high skill set. Girgensons is strictly a defensive type player. This guy is THE over rated prospect on this team. Drafted way too high IMO. Potenital = Jeff Halpern

Marcus Foligno reminds me a lot of David Clarkson. Extremely similar attributes and qualities.

I also see a very bright future with Hodgson, Pysyk, and Ristolainen.
Grigs won't be anything like Kopitar. He doesn't have the defensive skills for Kopitar's two way game.

Why no love for Girgs?

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Larsson
High = Bryan Little
Med = Sam Pahlsson
My squabble with this is that I think Sami Pahlsson aka "The guy who shoulda won the Conn Smythe" I'd say is a high end comparable, mostly because I absolutely loved Pahlsson's game. I think a lower end comparable would be more Marcel Goc. But that's nitpicking...

And I like McCabe's potential a bit more.

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Grigorenko reminds me a lot of Joe Thornton. If he can work on his skating and develop better speed than potentially Evgeni Malkin. The hands, poise and vision are very similar. For some reason I see him shaping out to be an Anze Kopitar, which I would be quite happy with.

Joel Armia is very similar to that of Jason Spezza and or Corey Perry.

Girgensons will NEVER be a Ryan Kesler...not a chance for whom ever suggested that. Ryan Kesler has a very high skill set. Girgensons is strictly a defensive type player. This guy is THE over rated prospect on this team. Drafted way too high IMO. Potenital = Jeff Halpern

Marcus Foligno reminds me a lot of David Clarkson. Extremely similar attributes and qualities.

I also see a very bright future with Hodgson, Pysyk, and Ristolainen.
I don't think Grigorenko will EVER be near the level that Kopitar is defensively. I doubt we'll see Grigo killing penalties in the NHL. The offensive side, I can see the similarities. Defensively....not close. Spezza might be a better comparable, and I like the Thornton comparable, but I think Grigo has a better shot.

IMO, Spezza isn't a real good comparable to Armia. I think Spezza's a bit faster and is more the playmaker than Joel. Joel's best attribute right now is his shot. I don't think he'll ever be as physical as Perry.

Girgensons is NOT in any way shape or form a strictly defense-first guy like Halpern. While I think his offensive abilities might be starting to get a bit overrated around these parts, he's certainly going to put in 30/40/50 points a year.

On the surface, the Clarkson/Foligno comparisons seem OK. They play a similar style game (physical, disturber) in a few aspects. However, Clarkson is a much, much more willing fighter than Foligno is or ever will be. Foligno's also a much better defensive player than Clarkson is, while I think Clarkson is better offensively than Foligno.

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My squabble with this is that I think Sami Pahlsson aka "The guy who shoulda won the Conn Smythe" I'd say is a high end comparable, mostly because I absolutely loved Pahlsson's game. I think a lower end comparable would be more Marcel Goc. But that's nitpicking...
I think Jame's overriding point with the Pahlsson comparison is the total lack of offense that Pahlsson provides.

To me, a better high comparable for Larsson would be Stoll (which I think is Girgenson's floor, incidentally).

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Spezza and/or Perry???

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I have it confirmed that Joel Armia is going to be an even bigger ******* than Corey Perry. Scientists are baffled as to how this can be possible.

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Girgensons will NEVER be a Ryan Kesler...not a chance for whom ever suggested that. Ryan Kesler has a very high skill set. Girgensons is strictly a defensive type player. This guy is THE over rated prospect on this team. Drafted way too high IMO. Potenital = Jeff Halpern

Bolded is ridiculous. I have a feeling you've never watched him play.

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Girgensons potential is probably Jordan Staal.

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High= Rod Brind'Amour

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Grigorenko - High End: vintage Brad Richards. Offense first, low physicality, mediocre defense. PP Spark plug.
Med-Low End: Ales Hemsky

Armia - High End: Rick Nash. If he develops an edge in his game and brings some physicality like he should be able to, he could produce a Nah-esque play style. He already has the hands, shot, and vision. Vanek is also a good comparison IMO.
Med-Low End: Ales Kotalik, easy pick

Girgensons - High End: Mike Richards. Has the tools, we shall see if he can put them all to good use.
Med-Low End: Dave Bolland

Ennis - High End: Danny Briere. Similar playmaking and shooting abilities with good speed. Both can get chippy at times.
Med-Low End: Max Afinogenov. Both can dangle and wheel, but I see Ennis as a better off-the-puck player, so I'm leaning towards high end.

Foligno - High End: Scott Hartnell. Bruisers that can put up points.
Low End- Cal Clutterbuck

Hodgson - High-End: Thomas Plekanec. Good two-way 1b/2a center. I see no reason for Hodgson not to improve his defensive game.
Low End: Derek Roy. I know that 80-pts for Hodgson would be terrific, but outside of that one season for Derek, he was a good offensive #2C, which I think Hodgson already is.



Ristolainen - High End: Alexei Zhitnik.
Low End: Francois Beauchemin.

Zadorov - High End: Andrei Markov/Brent Seabrook.
Low End: Brooks Orpik.

Pysyk - High End: Teppo Numminen.
Low End: Hank Tallinder.

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Grigorenko - High End: vintage Brad Richards. Offense first, low physicality, mediocre defense. PP Spark plug.
Med-Low End: Ales Hemsky

Armia - High End: Rick Nash. If he develops an edge in his game and brings some physicality like he should be able to, he could produce a Nah-esque play style. He already has the hands, shot, and vision. Vanek is also a good comparison IMO.
Med-Low End: Ales Kotalik, easy pick

Girgensons - High End: Mike Richards. Has the tools, we shall see if he can put them all to good use.
Med-Low End: Dave Bolland

Ennis - High End: Danny Briere. Similar playmaking and shooting abilities with good speed. Both can get chippy at times.
Med-Low End: Max Afinogenov. Both can dangle and wheel, but I see Ennis as a better off-the-puck player, so I'm leaning towards high end.

Foligno - High End: Scott Hartnell. Bruisers that can put up points.
Low End- Cal Clutterbuck

Hodgson - High-End: Thomas Plekanec. Good two-way 1b/2a center. I see no reason for Hodgson not to improve his defensive game.
Low End: Derek Roy. I know that 80-pts for Hodgson would be terrific, but outside of that one season for Derek, he was a good offensive #2C, which I think Hodgson already is.



Ristolainen - High End: Alexei Zhitnik.
Low End: Francois Beauchemin.

Zadorov - High End: Andrei Markov/Brent Seabrook.
Low End: Brooks Orpik.

Pysyk - High End: Teppo Numminen.
Low End: Hank Tallinder.
Bolded is an incredibly confusing comparison to me.

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