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07-26-2013, 12:33 PM
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Franson trade speculation will heat up. Leafs would like to keep him, but $$ is too much. Prospect and draft pick fair return?

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Franson trade speculation will heat up. Leafs would like to keep him, but $$ is too much. Prospect and draft pick fair return?

EDIT: beaten to it

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07-26-2013, 12:37 PM
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God damn Franson. WE HAVE A SALARY CAP BUD!

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Franson seems to be a real a****** when it comes to contract negotiations. Didn't he do this last time?

Gunnar-Dion
Gardiner-Ranger
Fraser-Liles
Holzer/Granberg/Rielly


ho hum

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07-26-2013, 12:41 PM
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Dam, I like Franson but he's definitely overachieved this year which could have increased his trade value by a huge ton, plus he's asking for alot of $$$. If that can get us a Solid Return then I wouldn't be mad if he's moved.

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I'd want a first next year + Project Prospect

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I'm still pretty sure he'll get re-signed.

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I'm still pretty sure he'll get re-signed.
agreed. i have a feeling liles gets moved.

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Good thing we blew our cap on another goalie and a winger. Not like D is an area of weakness or anything... This was a potential issue that posters and bloggers have been aware of for months. Where is the foresight from management? Something else better be coming to help on the back end.

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07-26-2013, 12:56 PM
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If given a choice between Liles and Franson, I would take Franson hands down, so I'm not ready to give up on dealing Liles and signing Franson.

I'm sure some kind of deal can be worked out, there would be little sense, trading Franson, he has good up side from the right side and was one of the best players on a lot of nights, I can see Liles and Fraser shown the door and our D looking something like this...

Phanuef/Gunnarsson
Gardiner/Brennan
Ranger/Franson
Marshall/Holzer

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Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Franson than Phaneuf. I know most people here have a hard on for Phaneuf, but while Phaneuf may be the better defenseman overall, I think Fransons ability to get that quick low shot from the point on net is incredibly underrated and under-appreicated. We can easily find a player like Ranger to replace Phaneuf's defensive contributions...and I honestly think Franson is far more valuable on the PP than Phaneuf. The only reason I don't want to lose Franson is because I really don't want us to lose that low quick point shot that always hits the net.


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Dam, I like Franson but he's definitely overachieved this year which could have increased his trade value by a huge ton, plus he's asking for alot of $$$. If that can get us a Solid Return then I wouldn't be mad if he's moved.
If Franson is traded we'll be just fine.

Franson isn't good on the PK and was very rarely used there, for PP time just give those minutes back to Liles and we've also got a concussion free Gardiner this year. 5 on 5 he saw very insulated minutes and I'd get so frustrated watching him softly bank the puck off the boards and have it intercepted.

Franson has become vastly overrated by a lot of fans because of his offensive numbers which are largely due to simply getting PP time. Just like Kaberle. Or just like Liles. Franson is certainly good on the PP but so is Liles.

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Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Franson than Phaneuf. I know most people here have a hard on for Phaneuf, but while Phaneuf may be the better defenseman overall, I think Fransons ability to get that quick low shot from the point on net is incredibly underrated and underdeveloped. We can easily find a player like Ranger to replace Phaneuf's defensive contributions...and I honestly think Franson is far more valuable on the PP than Phaneuf. The only reason I don't want to lose Franson is because I really don't want us to lose that low quick point shot that always hits the net.
Will do.

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Dam, I like Franson but he's definitely overachieved this year which could have increased his trade value by a huge ton, plus he's asking for alot of $$$. If that can get us a Solid Return then I wouldn't be mad if he's moved.
It really depends how you view him. I personally don't view him as a top 4 guy but a PP specialist on the bottom pairing. Now granted he did well in the playoffs in a top 4 role but it was for a very limited time.

Franson likely isn't worth what he's asking (assuming he's asking a lot)...yet. That could change in the next few years but its a risk. So maybe trading him could work out. Cuts cap and gets us potential in the return theoretically. But it also potentially cuts the potential Franson has, of which he could become a real nice top 4 guy.

It's a risk but it could work out well.

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@mirtle. Don't have Leafs cap specifics in front of me, but, Franson at $4+ has to be reasoning behind trade consideration.

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Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Franson than Phaneuf. I know most people here have a hard on for Phaneuf, but while Phaneuf may be the better defenseman overall, I think Fransons ability to get that quick low shot from the point on net is incredibly underrated and underdeveloped. We can easily find a player like Ranger to replace Phaneuf's defensive contributions...and I honestly think Franson is far more valuable on the PP than Phaneuf. The only reason I don't want to lose Franson is because I really don't want us to lose that low quick point shot that always hits the net.
"I'd rather trade our best overall defenseman because it can be argued that he's not as good on the power play. "

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07-26-2013, 01:00 PM
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If given a choice between Liles and Franson, I would take Franson hands down, so I'm not ready to give up on dealing Liles and signing Franson.

I'm sure some kind of deal can be worked out, there would be little sense, trading Franson, he has good up side from the right side and was one of the best players on a lot of nights, I can see Liles and Fraser shown the door and our D looking something like this...

Phanuef/Gunnarsson
Gardiner/Brennan
Ranger/Franson
Marshall/Holzer
Franson is at a high value point well Liles is at a low value point.

We didn't have pick all of the first 4 rounds in the past 2 drafts and are already down a 2nd rounder for one of the next two draft (Bernier trade), have one of the weaker prospect pools in the league.

Trading Franson could be a case if trading a player at a high value point.

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07-26-2013, 01:03 PM
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I want you all to know that I had a horrible nightmare where we traded Lupul to free up cap space. In the dream I read about the rumor on these very boards. I woke up in a cold sweat realizing I need something better to do with my free time.

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@mirtle. Don't have Leafs cap specifics in front of me, but, Franson at $4+ has to be reasoning behind trade consideration.
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Franson is at a high value point well Liles is at a low value point.

We didn't have pick all of the first 4 rounds in the past 2 drafts and are already down a 2nd rounder for one of the next two draft (Bernier trade), have one of the weaker prospect pools in the league.

Trading Franson could be a case if trading a player at a high value point.
Well frankly if he is in fact asking for 4 million plus, there is a likelyhood he will be shopped but if he's looking for about the same as Gunnarsson signed for, I would want to keep him.

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07-26-2013, 01:06 PM
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"I'd rather trade our best overall defenseman because it can be argued that he's not as good on the power play. "
You don't quite get what I'm saying, but that's OK. The fact is, when Phaneuf is your best overall defenseman, you're in trouble.

His defense is replaceable. His offense is replaceable. His physicality is replaceable. Franson's point shot isn't.

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I know Franson would like to hit a home run this year, but since he is only 1 year older than Subban, with a smaller body of work it seems doubtful that he would command as much or more in salary...
Subbans cap hit is $2.8....I would imagine Nonis is looking at $2 to $2.5 for 1 or 2 years...
Montreal let Subban sit for awhile, it Is possible that Toronto will let Franson sit for just as long...
By that point Liles' value may be high enough to bring a decent return...

The same philosophy may exist for KAdri...only difference is we don't have as many replacement centres as defencemen...

I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 or both on the sidelines come the start of the season...these 2 may have to accept that the cap is lower this year and they may have to wait out a year, and put up some impressive numbers to warrant a huge contract next year when it's expected the cap will go up...

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We knew this was coming...

I doubt anyone will offer him at $4M though. Subban set the market $2.8M for the Norris winner. Franson is a number 3 dman, if we give him $4M he becomes untradeable. Looks like we may have to start the season without him to me.

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You don't quite get what I'm saying, but that's OK. The fact is, when Phaneuf is your best overall defenseman, you're in trouble.

His defense is replaceable. His offense is replaceable. His physicality is replaceable. Franson's point shot isn't.
Why is it, the people in Toronto doesn't see the quality of Phaneuf but people who work in hockey do?

Thats a question, no one is willing to answer legitimately

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I doubt anyone will offer him at $4M though. Subban set the market $2.8M for the Norris winner.
No, no he didn't. He set the market at $2.8 for a restricted free agent who had to hold out for part of an already late-starting season.

He won the Norris after this contract was negotiated, and Montreal would have done better to give him a 7 year deal with a higher average cap-hit because now they're going to have to give him a huge paycheque after this season.

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Why is it, the people in Toronto doesn't see the quality of Phaneuf but people who work in hockey do?

Thats a question, no one is willing to answer legitimately

Hmm. And that's why he was voted most overrated player in the league by his peers?

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