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07-18-2013, 10:18 PM
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Every single one of those deals make us worse. I don't know why people want to downgrade.
I think it makes us better longterm.

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No way does one yr of Phanuef, land either the Isles or Devils proposal.

Isles fans and Sabre fans are having a similar discussion about Vanek/Miller, each of whom is a ufa in 2014. Staple has said in a few fanchats over the past 2-3 months, isles don't want to give up the young talent or huge salaries on extensions for these high salaried, soon to be ufas.
Yes an extension would have to be in place for these to happen.

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if phaneuf would sign an extension with NYI, and did not want to be here, I am demanding Hamonic and Strome.

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I think it makes us better longterm.
How? None of those guys are going to be better than Phaneuf.

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I think it makes us better longterm.
Not a single one of those players are a top pairing defense man or a top pairing forward.

How the **** does adding depth pieces for a #1dman make us better?

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07-18-2013, 11:38 PM
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Signing Phaneuf to an 8 year extension for even his current cap hit of 6.5 million won't look good in 3-4 years time.

Gardiner if he continues to progess as he is could be a 5 million + dman
Rielly if becomes as projected with earn 6 million + someday
Cody Franson if he continues on his development path could be a 4-5 million + guys

who knows what UFA or guys like Finn, Percy, Blacker, Granberg etc do and command..

add in current Dmen in gunnerson and Fraser etc

even if it set the leafs back temporarily this season.. It would make the most long term sense.

If he signed a long term 8 year 44 million at 5.5 average i'd take that.. especially with the cap going to rise more than likely in the coming years significantly.

64 million.....70 million... 74 million... 78..million.. 81 million. This would be realistic for Cap growth.

Technically you could effectively allocate 45 million to forwards 26 million to Dmen and 7 million to goalies in 4 years time. So even Phaneuf at 7 million could work if the cap grows as planned.

7M (Phaneuf) -6M(Rielly)
5M (Gardiner)-4M (Frason)
2M Percy(RFA deal)-1M Finn (Entry)
1M 7th dman(Blacker)

Even a set up like this on D in 4 years would cost you 26 million.. that's a realistic breakdown. so keeping phaneuf wouldn't completely F us. Depends on what the goalie is making.. 7 million should be enough for a clear cut #1 with a backup making 550k-1million.

Forwards at 45Million i'd have to breakdown but i'm thinking that's enough.

JVR 4.25 Bozak 4.2 Kessel 7.5 Top line = 16 million
Lupul 5.25 Kadri 6M Clarkson 5.25 2nd Line = 16.5 million

32.5 million in top 6 leaving 12.5 for the bottom 6 would be tough average of 2 million per player to be right against the cap. But who's to say our top 6 even looks like that in 4 years time.

X X X
X X X


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^cap growth aint linear.

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07-19-2013, 01:06 AM
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^cap growth aint linear.
neither are contract demands. as cap goes up so does the demand for more money.

wouldn't surprised me to see nonis trade dion, since his value is at an all time high, or just let him walk.

best would be a 3-4 year deal.

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07-19-2013, 01:44 AM
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If you think Phaneuf is overpaid, wait until you see what the Habs end up paying Subban next year.

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Bozak's contract is reasonable – a LOT less than Bozak’s agent asked for, even accounting for negotiating space. He might not be the ideal #1C people want, but he plays well with Kessel, and that counts for a lot. Besides, look at the Leafs two top lines:

Van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson

(you can interchange JVR and Lupul)

It's basically a 1 and a 1a — take your choice which is the top line.

That leaves a 3rd line centered by Bolland which will be a real shutdown line – something the Leafs didn't have last year with Grabovski in the spot.

Toronto’s really going to be a pain in the as* to play against next year, it looks like.

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07-19-2013, 02:12 AM
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neither are contract demands. as cap goes up so does the demand for more money.

wouldn't surprised me to see nonis trade dion, since his value is at an all time high, or just let him walk.

best would be a 3-4 year deal.
If he lets dion walk, he should be fired on the spot.

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07-19-2013, 03:46 AM
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Could a Shea Weber trade ever happen?

The restriction is coming off on July 24th I believe.

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Could a Shea Weber trade ever happen?

The restriction is coming off on July 24th I believe.
Highly highly doubtful. He's a top 2-3 defenceman in the world.

Probably only if Jones shows franchise potential at the NHL level, and they used Weber to trade for that illusive #1 C + another top 4 dman to compliment Jones/Josi/Klein.

So IF he gets traded, I dont think its for another 2 years or so.

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Highly highly doubtful. He's a top 2-3 defenceman in the world.

Probably only if Jones shows franchise potential at the NHL level, and they used Weber to trade for that illusive #1 C + another top 4 dman to compliment Jones/Josi/Klein.

So IF he gets traded, I dont think its for another 2 years or so.
No chance in hell IMO. Regardless of what happens with Jones.

Nashville has an extremely tough time bringing in the big ticket players. They have up on Suter to keep him. He's the face of a franchise who rely heavily on drafting to get the high end guys.

I could see in in 3-5 years when Jones is ready for his payday, but not sooner than that

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Not a single one of those players are a top pairing defense man or a top pairing forward.

How the **** does adding depth pieces for a #1dman make us better?
Larsson? How do you know this with such certainty?

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Minny might be an interesting option

would probably have to take Heatley back but I could see them interested in pairing Phanuef with Suter and solidifying that D

maybe Heatley, Dumba, conditional 1st if he resigns or 2nd if he doesn't

honestly, not sure you'll get more than that with one year left.

I know there is a lot of hate for Heatley and not sure if he could survive with Carlyle

but top 9 could be
JVR/Bozak/Kessel
Lupul/Kadri/Heater
Kulemin/Bolland/Clarkson

Deal would hinge on how much they like Dumba and if they think Reilly really is making the team this year.

Gardiner/Franson
Reilly/Gunner
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07-19-2013, 08:07 AM
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How? None of those guys are going to be better than Phaneuf.
Phaneuf is a great dman, but he is known more for his offense than his defense. The point of the trade would be to sacrifice some offense to get two people who will be able to provide the same defensive impact. We can afford this because with gardiner, rielly and franson in the system, offense from the D wont be a problem for the next 10 years. Phaneuf is good defensively, but he will start declining in 3-4 years which is at the point I feel our team will be ready to contend. And in our system we have very few top 4 defensive prospects. Percy is the only one and granberg is a maybe. Just my opinion of course.

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07-19-2013, 08:08 AM
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If I'm trading Phaneuf I'm looking for a top pairing potential D-man on an ELC, and a young controllable winger who could slot into that last spot in our top six.

Deals would include (in order of favourites):

St. Louis: Pietrangelo + Stewart (we would obviously have to substantially add)

Anaheim: Fowler + Smith-Pelley (Elisha would love this one)

Minnesota: Brodin + Coyle (Would need to include a third team to take Heatley to make this work) Maybe: Phaneuf + 1st for Brodin + Coyle + Heatley then trade Heatley to NJ for 2015 1st round pick.

New Jersey : Larsson + Bernier

New York Isles: Hamonic + Okposo (might need to add)

Buffalo: Myers + Foligno (would rather not trade him to Buffalo though)

New York Rangers: Del Zotto + Kreider (might need to add)

Mostly very unrealistic trades for just Phanuef. Would likely have to add to all of them, unless the other teams were able to re-up Dion.

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if phaneuf would sign an extension with NYI, and did not want to be here, I am demanding Hamonic and Strome.
Even with a signed Phaneuf, I think the Isles pass.

23 yr old Hamonic was more consistent in 2011-2012,. He and MacDonald, the 1st pairing, did not start playing consistently until the last 6 weeks of the season and playoffs.
But, Hamonic was a beast in the playoffs and with a new 7 yr/$27m contract, I doubt he is available.

Isles have Pulock and Reinhart in the pipeline.Both have the upside to develop into Hamonc's partner, pushing AMac down to the 2nd pairing.

And isles need a winger for Tavares, are hoping Strome fills that long term role.

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Minny might be an interesting option

would probably have to take Heatley back but I could see them interested in pairing Phanuef with Suter and solidifying that D

maybe Heatley, Dumba, conditional 1st if he resigns or 2nd if he doesn't

honestly, not sure you'll get more than that with one year left.

I know there is a lot of hate for Heatley and not sure if he could survive with Carlyle

but top 9 could be
JVR/Bozak/Kessel
Lupul/Kadri/Heater
Kulemin/Bolland/Clarkson

Deal would hinge on how much they like Dumba and if they think Reilly really is making the team this year.

Gardiner/Franson
Reilly/Gunner
Liles/Fraser
that D-group is soooooooooooooft

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that D-group is soooooooooooooft

yeah I know, but in the no so distant future (potentially next year) Rielly, Dumba, Gardiner
3 sick PMD
kind of a one step back two step forwards move

maybe flip Heater somewhere (Fla?) Upshall and Dman ....add something to try and get Gudbranson

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yeah I know, but in the no so distant future (potentially next year) Rielly, Dumba, Gardiner
3 sick PMD
kind of a one step back two step forwards move

maybe flip Heater somewhere (Fla?) Upshall and Dman ....add something to try and get Gudbranson
I wouldnt like that trade. Dumba is redundant in our prospect system, the first will be very low and heatley slacks wayy too much.

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I wouldnt like that trade. Dumba is redundant in our prospect system, the first will be very low and heatley slacks wayy too much.
he plays the right side so could compliment Reilly or Gardiner
he's a solid asset to have too, keep him or not

with one year left on Phanuef's deal not sure you can expect more than a high level prospect and cap dump

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he plays the right side so could compliment Reilly or Gardiner
he's a solid asset to have too, keep him or not

with one year left on Phanuef's deal not sure you can expect more than a high level prospect and cap dump
even so he is not the type of prospect I would be looking to acquire. Small pmd, shakey defensively.

I do see minny as a great potential fit, and I would be looking for at least pominville type return. Probably more.

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Would you guys do

Dion (w/ extension) + Lupul (maybe +)

for

Weber
?

I'd feel bad trading Lupul, simply because he's been through a lot and seems to love it here. He's also been great for us. But Weber is... Weber.

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