No way does one yr of Phanuef, land either the Isles or Devils proposal.
Isles fans and Sabre fans are having a similar discussion about Vanek/Miller, each of whom is a ufa in 2014. Staple has said in a few fanchats over the past 2-3 months, isles don't want to give up the young talent or huge salaries on extensions for these high salaried, soon to be ufas.
Yes an extension would have to be in place for these to happen.
Signing Phaneuf to an 8 year extension for even his current cap hit of 6.5 million won't look good in 3-4 years time.
Gardiner if he continues to progess as he is could be a 5 million + dman
Rielly if becomes as projected with earn 6 million + someday
Cody Franson if he continues on his development path could be a 4-5 million + guys
who knows what UFA or guys like Finn, Percy, Blacker, Granberg etc do and command..
add in current Dmen in gunnerson and Fraser etc
even if it set the leafs back temporarily this season.. It would make the most long term sense.
If he signed a long term 8 year 44 million at 5.5 average i'd take that.. especially with the cap going to rise more than likely in the coming years significantly.
64 million.....70 million... 74 million... 78..million.. 81 million. This would be realistic for Cap growth.
Technically you could effectively allocate 45 million to forwards 26 million to Dmen and 7 million to goalies in 4 years time. So even Phaneuf at 7 million could work if the cap grows as planned.
Even a set up like this on D in 4 years would cost you 26 million.. that's a realistic breakdown. so keeping phaneuf wouldn't completely F us. Depends on what the goalie is making.. 7 million should be enough for a clear cut #1 with a backup making 550k-1million.
Forwards at 45Million i'd have to breakdown but i'm thinking that's enough.
JVR 4.25 Bozak 4.2 Kessel 7.5 Top line = 16 million
Lupul 5.25 Kadri 6M Clarkson 5.25 2nd Line = 16.5 million
32.5 million in top 6 leaving 12.5 for the bottom 6 would be tough average of 2 million per player to be right against the cap. But who's to say our top 6 even looks like that in 4 years time.
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Bozak's contract is reasonable – a LOT less than Bozak’s agent asked for, even accounting for negotiating space. He might not be the ideal #1C people want, but he plays well with Kessel, and that counts for a lot. Besides, look at the Leafs two top lines:
(you can interchange JVR and Lupul)
It's basically a 1 and a 1a — take your choice which is the top line.
That leaves a 3rd line centered by Bolland which will be a real shutdown line – something the Leafs didn't have last year with Grabovski in the spot.
Toronto’s really going to be a pain in the as* to play against next year, it looks like.
How? None of those guys are going to be better than Phaneuf.
Phaneuf is a great dman, but he is known more for his offense than his defense. The point of the trade would be to sacrifice some offense to get two people who will be able to provide the same defensive impact. We can afford this because with gardiner, rielly and franson in the system, offense from the D wont be a problem for the next 10 years. Phaneuf is good defensively, but he will start declining in 3-4 years which is at the point I feel our team will be ready to contend. And in our system we have very few top 4 defensive prospects. Percy is the only one and granberg is a maybe. Just my opinion of course.
if phaneuf would sign an extension with NYI, and did not want to be here, I am demanding Hamonic and Strome.
Even with a signed Phaneuf, I think the Isles pass.
23 yr old Hamonic was more consistent in 2011-2012,. He and MacDonald, the 1st pairing, did not start playing consistently until the last 6 weeks of the season and playoffs.
But, Hamonic was a beast in the playoffs and with a new 7 yr/$27m contract, I doubt he is available.
Isles have Pulock and Reinhart in the pipeline.Both have the upside to develop into Hamonc's partner, pushing AMac down to the 2nd pairing.
And isles need a winger for Tavares, are hoping Strome fills that long term role.