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08-21-2013, 12:08 PM
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I agree, I think some people will be surprised. He played injured quite a bit which hurts his numbers, but like you said when he's healthy he's close to a PPG.
If you consider .65 close to PPG, then sure.

But really, its a 29 point difference over an 82 game season.

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08-21-2013, 02:09 PM
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If you consider .65 close to PPG, then sure.

But really, its a 29 point difference over an 82 game season.
I believe the key term here was "when healthy"

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08-21-2013, 02:23 PM
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If you consider .65 close to PPG, then sure.

But really, its a 29 point difference over an 82 game season.
Obviously a bit exadurated on the behalf of that poster but reality is Colbourne still has some room to grow, especially if he can stay healthy for a full season or two.

Leafs biggest weakness now is at center, so if i were to make any significant moves its to bolster that position.

If we cant find a Top tier #1 Center, then start stocking up on higher end center prospects until an opportunity to make a big trade comes along. If the top centers do get traded, its usually for up and comming top tier "center" prospects on ELCs.

I feel good about our goal tending duo and hopefully we can get reimer signed to a longish deal so that they can play together for 2-3 years to really see if one stands out.

I feel good about our defensive prospect pool and feel like our depth at wing is also sufficient for a few seasons.

That leaves us still short of a star center, so lets do the next best thing and collect more young center prospects with potential

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08-21-2013, 02:28 PM
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Obviously a bit exadurated on the behalf of that poster but reality is Colbourne still has some room to grow, especially if he can stay healthy for a full season or two.

Leafs biggest weakness now is at center, so if i were to make any significant moves its to bolster that position.

If we cant find a Top tier #1 Center, then start stocking up on higher end center prospects until an opportunity to make a big trade comes along. If the top centers do get traded, its usually for up and comming top tier "center" prospects on ELCs.

I feel good about our goal tending duo and hopefully we can get reimer signed to a longish deal so that they can play together for 2-3 years to really see if one stands out.

I feel good about our defensive prospect pool and feel like our depth at wing is also sufficient for a few seasons.

That leaves us still short of a star center, so lets do the next best thing and collect more young center prospects with potential

my 2 cents
my personal feeling is that running

Kadri
Colborne
Gauthier
McClement

Is perfectly fine for your centre group.

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08-21-2013, 03:06 PM
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I believe the key term here was "when healthy"
In the 19 calendar months which he played in 5 or more AHL games, he was over .75 PPG in 4 of them.

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08-21-2013, 04:21 PM
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No offence, but if you can't even spell a player's name correctly, I have a hard time taking your analysis seriously.

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08-21-2013, 04:41 PM
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In the 19 calendar months which he played in 5 or more AHL games, he was over .75 PPG in 4 of them.
Fair, but I'll try and break it down.

Colborne's first year in Toronto
20gp-8g-8a-16p-.80ppg


Next year comes roaring out of the gates and gets AHL player of the month.
9gp-8g-8a-16p-1.7ppg

Then he gets that terrible wrist injury which he attempted to play through, but loses the ability to shoot the puck and his stats drop only putting up in his remaining games
56gp-8g-15a-23p-.41ppg

Prior to the injury, he had
13gp-10g-9a-19p-1.4ppg


He comes back into the next season still suffering, and hasn't put up many points. Then his wrist "pops" and heals in December and he puts up 20 points in his next 20 games, as well as 36 in his final 43, putting his final 43 games at .83ppg.

When healthy, he has been close to a PPG.

In fact, if you average out all his time when healthy as a Marlie, you get this.

76gp-71p=.93ppg

(this is accounting for his first season, the first 13 games of 2011/2012 before injury, and the final 43 games of 2012/2013 after his wrist popped.)

This would be 76 points over an 82 game season.

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08-21-2013, 05:05 PM
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In the 19 calendar months which he played in 5 or more AHL games, he was over .75 PPG in 4 of them.
If you don't follow the Marlies and you don't know when Colborne is healthy and when he isn't, why do you bother arguing with people?

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08-22-2013, 08:11 AM
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If you don't follow the Marlies and you don't know when Colborne is healthy and when he isn't, why do you bother arguing with people?
Why do you care what I post? no one is asking you to read it.

The initial post I responded to didn't say anything about his health, just that he was a PPG in AHL, which wasn't true. I didn't notice that the second one I replied to had health as a qualifier.

Then when it was pointed out, I decided to look into the numbers and found that he had short stretches of when his production was ~PPG so I posted it. And ItsOurGame provided a detailed breakdown of his injury history and showed how he was close to a PPG when healthy, instead of just whining about me not knowing about his injury history.

Now I see how his injuries effected his production. I found it to be a useful discussion for me, and maybe as a result, other people who read ItsOurGame's post who didn't know about Colborne's injury issues might have gained some insight into Joe Colborne.

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08-22-2013, 08:12 AM
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Fair, but I'll try and break it down.

Colborne's first year in Toronto
20gp-8g-8a-16p-.80ppg


Next year comes roaring out of the gates and gets AHL player of the month.
9gp-8g-8a-16p-1.7ppg

Then he gets that terrible wrist injury which he attempted to play through, but loses the ability to shoot the puck and his stats drop only putting up in his remaining games
56gp-8g-15a-23p-.41ppg

Prior to the injury, he had
13gp-10g-9a-19p-1.4ppg


He comes back into the next season still suffering, and hasn't put up many points. Then his wrist "pops" and heals in December and he puts up 20 points in his next 20 games, as well as 36 in his final 43, putting his final 43 games at .83ppg.

When healthy, he has been close to a PPG.

In fact, if you average out all his time when healthy as a Marlie, you get this.

76gp-71p=.93ppg

(this is accounting for his first season, the first 13 games of 2011/2012 before injury, and the final 43 games of 2012/2013 after his wrist popped.)

This would be 76 points over an 82 game season.
That's good information, thanks for compiling it.

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08-22-2013, 10:47 AM
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This is ineresting and I wouldn't doubt, that in coming years, we will see a Cap this large but it seems a tad on the high side but the article is saying

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The salary cap currently sits at $64.3 million heading into the 2013-14 season, a factor that has caused the NHL free agent market to slow down since the initial rush back in July.
Report: NHL Salary cap could rise to $80 million in four years

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/articles...-in-four-years

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The NHL's salary cap could go up to $80 million within the next four years, according to Elliotte Friedman of CBC Sports.

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08-22-2013, 11:50 AM
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Habs signed Douglas Murray.

Murray's not a bad player, but a bad fit for the Habs IMO. We're going to absolutely blow by him.

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08-22-2013, 01:45 PM
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Grabo to Washington?

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Habs signed Douglas Murray.

Murray's not a bad player, but a bad fit for the Habs IMO. We're going to absolutely blow by him.
I actually think he's a great fit for the Habs as a depth Dman.

Murray hits likes a truck which will help with their toughness, will drop the gloves occassionally and is solid defensively especially as a PKer which is an area that they struggled with last year.

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08-22-2013, 02:16 PM
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Grabo to Washington?
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 6m

Told #Capitals still waiting for confirmation that Grabovski has accepted their offer but all is pointing in that direction.

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Murray will improve toughness but that's about it. Douglas Murray is a shell of what he used to be. He was a beast back in the day with San Jose, but he's pretty much just an immobile cinderblock now.

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Murray will improve toughness but that's about it. Douglas Murray is a shell of what he used to be. He was a beast back in the day with San Jose, but he's pretty much just an immobile cinderblock now.
Haha, this. He may still be able to hit hard but hes about as close to a literal pylon as you can get without actually being one.

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Remember when JVR blew by Schenn for that one cool goal?

Now imagine JVR blowing by Douglas Murray twice in one game for two cool goals.

Yeay, MTL got a pylon!! ^_^

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Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 6m

Told #Capitals still waiting for confirmation that Grabovski has accepted their offer but all is pointing in that direction.
Could we trade his buddy Kulemin to Caps for a prospect? We sure could use the cap space... Would absolutely love local boy Tom Wilson. Would be perfect as a cheap option on the third line. Seems like he is NHL ready. Do you think the caps would do that?

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That's good information, thanks for compiling it.
Just doin what I can with what I got

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A couple years back there were rumors of something around Schenn + Frattin for Dustin Brown.

Who would you guys rather have: JVR or Dusty Brown?

Imagine adding Brown's physicality to our team right now

I love JVR though.

It'd be close but I'd likely choose Brown.

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A couple years back there were rumors of something around Schenn + Frattin for Dustin Brown.

Who would you guys rather have: JVR or Dusty Brown?

Imagine adding Brown's physicality to our team right now

I love JVR though.

It'd be close but I'd likely choose Brown.
Yeah def brown

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A couple years back there were rumors of something around Schenn + Frattin for Dustin Brown.

Who would you guys rather have: JVR or Dusty Brown?

Imagine adding Brown's physicality to our team right now

I love JVR though.

It'd be close but I'd likely choose Brown.
But it would really be:

JVR & Bernier or Brown

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But it would really be:

JVR & Bernier or Brown
Yeah I know, I was going to mention that.

God I'm excited for Bernier.

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A couple years back there were rumors of something around Schenn + Frattin for Dustin Brown.

Who would you guys rather have: JVR or Dusty Brown?

Imagine adding Brown's physicality to our team right now

I love JVR though.

It'd be close but I'd likely choose Brown.
big JVR fan and we also have Bernier now, so as good as Brown is, i rather have JVR + BERNIER

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