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07-20-2013, 11:20 PM
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The math doesnít work in Nazem Kadriís favour. And maybe, at this stage of his NHL career, thatís a good thing.

The Maple Leafs have $9.7 million in salary-cap space remaining and four restricted free agents to sign. Which means almost certain Kadri will have to accept an in-between contract rather than hit the big-time one after one strong season withe Leafs.

Actually, it will be a bit of a juggling act for general manager Dave Nonis to pull this off and make everybody happy.

Carl Gunnarsson has played the last two seasons at a cap hit of $1.3 million. Defenceman of his ilk now make $3 and up. Heíll be signing somewhere around there.

Cody Franson should come in just below Gunnarsson in numbers. Which should leave almost $4 million for Kadri and Mark Fraser to split. And when divided up, that means less than $3 million for Kadri, somewhere around $1 million for Fraser.

And when all are signed, that means no money left for depth players or other free agents.

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we need chuckwood signal!

Also gagner is asking for 5.5 mil made me laugh my ass off.

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we need chuckwood signal!

Also gagner is asking for 5.5 mil made me laugh my ass off.
i reckon this means he is so not worth it?

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This isn't how contracts work. Kadri doesn't have to accept less money because there isn't much cap room available. He is free to sign an offer sheet to get what he is worth. He can also force the team to go over the cap and make Nonis trade someone else to free up cap space.

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we need chuckwood signal!

Also gagner is asking for 5.5 mil made me laugh my ass off.
Using Eberle as his comparable, which is smart, because he outscored him this season. Should be an interesting arbitration ruling.

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Alzner just signed for $2.4M. I dont see why Gunnarsson should paid more than that.

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Alzner just signed for $2.4M. I dont see why Gunnarsson should paid more than that.
10.1 Unrestricted Free Agents.
(a) Group 3 Players and Free Agents.
(i) Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
SPC has expired, with such expiry occurring either as of June 30 of such
League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent.

Karl Alzner
Born Sep 24 1988

Carl Gunnarsson
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If Nonis can't get the numbers to fit, he will probably trade Liles and free up about 3 million and then promote Granberg at a minimum cap hit, or other trades can also do the same thing.

The two arbitration cases for Gunnarsson and Fraser will clear up a lot of the uncertainty in the cap numbers but until that is solved, nothing will happen and we are allowed to go over the cap in the off-season.

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Regarding Sam Gagner. He has asked for $5.5M on a one-year deal in arbitration (as reported by @DarrenDreger ). EDM's ask is $3.5M...

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The problem I have is that most of them played at a level we don't know is sustainable yet.

All the bolded showed a level of play that they haven't shown before. I'm always careful penciling people into a top 4 spot right away. We've been burned time and time again by 1 season wonders, and it happens to every team. I'd love if Nonis just keeps Liles (although I see no indication he won't). Liles is a good 5/6/7 guy now, and if anyone is playing poorly he can jump up and down the lineup without costing us anything.

The underlined I don't think are ready to play at the NHL level for a full season, mistake free. Especially Marshall. Brennan I can't see playing top 4 either.
Disagree with gardiner. Last year he had sophomore slump, in his rookie season he played like a top 4 d-man. Franson also shouldnt have a problem on the third pairing even if he does regress a bit.

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10.1 Unrestricted Free Agents.
(a) Group 3 Players and Free Agents.
(i) Any Player who either has seven (7) Accrued Seasons or is 27 years of age
or older as of June 30 of the end of a League Year, shall, if his most recent
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League Year or June 30 of any prior League Year, become an Unrestricted
Free Agent.

Karl Alzner
Born Sep 24 1988

Carl Gunnarsson
Born Nov 9 1986
So the caps bought 2 RFA years and we'd be buying 1 RFA year? Still don't see the huge disparity.

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So the caps bought 2 RFA years and we'd be buying 1 RFA year? Still don't see the huge disparity.
It is the UFA years that need to be purchased. Gunnarson is UFA next summer, as he'll be 27 at the time.

According to capgeek:

Alzer is making 2.8 million per season over the next 4 seasons, 2 of which are UFA.

Gunnarsson in a 4 year contract would be going 3 years into UFA.

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This isn't how contracts work. Kadri doesn't have to accept less money because there isn't much cap room available. He is free to sign an offer sheet to get what he is worth. He can also force the team to go over the cap and make Nonis trade someone else to free up cap space.
How exactly can he force the team to go over the cap?

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It is the UFA years that need to be purchased. Gunnarson is UFA next summer, as he'll be 27 at the time.

According to capgeek:

Alzer is making 2.8 million per season over the next 4 seasons, 2 of which are UFA.

Gunnarsson in a 4 year contract would be going 3 years into UFA.
still not a huge difference...

IMO Alzner > Gunner

If it were me i'd sign him to:

$2.5 per over 4 years

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How exactly can he force the team to go over the cap?
He can't force anyone to sign him or offersheet him.

However, there is pressure to re-sign him, and if a team offersheeted him, it would have to be over 3.4 to make it worthwhile, which is a 1st. and 3rnd. IIRC

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still not a huge difference...

IMO Alzner > Gunner

If it were me i'd sign him to:

$2.5 per over 4 years
Well actually, it is a big difference, it is 25%. Leverage? SEL for a year. He could easily play in the SEL and sign as UFA next season.

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Well actually, it is a big difference, it is 25%. Leverage? SEL for a year. He could easily play in the SEL and sign as UFA next season.
This is why i would give him the 100K extra per and he is an inferior player to Alzner.

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This is why i would give him the 100K extra per and he is an inferior player to Alzner.
He plays a different game than Alzner, but it is difficult to argue one is better.

Gunnarsson also faces much tougher assignments than Alzner.

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I would be happy with:

Kadri - $3M per over 2 years
Gunnersson - $2.5 per over 4 years
Franson - $3.25 per over 4 years
Fraser - $1.75 per over 2 years

Anything more and it's an overpayment for sure.

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He plays a different game than Alzner, but it is difficult to argue one is better.

Gunnarsson also faces much tougher assignments than Alzner.
It's still more than Alzner to be fair and pretty sure Alzner was facing top liners too.

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I can see Fraser-Brennan working as a 3rd pair
TJ has speed and hands and good size

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It's still more than Alzner to be fair and pretty sure Alzner was facing top liners too.
Corsi Rel QoC shows Gunnarsson playing 11th. toughest, with Alzner facing 69th. toughest for defensemen who played 30+ games.

Alzner is getting 2.8 per season, so even 12.5% for giving up 25% more of his UFA status puts him at 3.1.

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I would be happy with:

Kadri - $3M per over 2 years
Gunnersson - $2.5 per over 4 years
Franson - $3.25 per over 4 years
Fraser - $1.75 per over 2 years

Anything more and it's an overpayment for sure.
Way way too high for Fraser

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How exactly can he force the team to go over the cap?
By refusing to take a discount simply because there isn't enough cap room. If he feels he's worth $3.5 million and there is only $2 million in cap space, he can stick to his guns and make Nonis go over the cap. This is exactly why teams are allowed to go over the cap by a percentage during the off season.

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