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07-19-2013, 08:49 AM
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How good would Luke Schenn have been under Carlyle?

I always see people posting about how we rushed Schenn and Wilson's run and gun ruined his confidence. I remember when we drafted him and Pierre was going off about how we got the next Adam foote and "the rebuild starts now Toronto".

Anyways, my question is how good do you think Luke schenn could have been?

I think he couldve been a very good #2 stay at home dman (and think he still will be one day).

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I think it was unnecessary for him to bulk up like he did and his skating speed wasn't that great (partially because of the aforementioned issue). I think him (and Komisarek, even) could have been solid players under Carlyle.

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(shrug) who knows. Maybe he would have been fine.

but personally, to have Schenn, it means not having JVR and I like what he brings to this team. and that's how it's always going to slice for me. so personally - imagining what he could have been here, would take away the variables that we lose by not having JVR. (6 of one 1/2 a dozen of the other).

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I think it was unnecessary for him to bulk up like he did and his skating speed wasn't that great (partially because of the aforementioned issue). I think him (and Komisarek, even) could have been solid players under Carlyle.
that's the one that is always going to puzzle me. he was playing REALLY WELL before his injury and he never saw ice time again. I really have to wonder what happened (ie: what caused the injury, was something said? or did Carlyle always know that he was pretty much going to be bought out so concentrate more on spending time with the rookies and getting them more acclimatized to the team).

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He'd probably be pretty good, but I'll take JVR over Luke every day of the week.

Franson's elevated play (plus Fraser) helps ease the loss of the physicality Luke brought

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(shrug) who knows. Maybe he would have been fine.

but personally, to have Schenn, it means not having JVR and I like what he brings to this team. and that's how it's always going to slice for me. so personally - imagining what he could have been here, would take away the variables that we lose by not having JVR. (6 of one 1/2 a dozen of the other).
Don't get me wrong... I would do the JVR trade everyday of the week. Just wondering what Schenn could have been, especially with every other leaf fan saying we need to get a defensive defenseman for our top 4.

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Still not as good as having JVR.

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Yea, I don't know.

With Schenn, the thing is that his BEST skill is his size/physicality. I really think that's one of the main reasons he looked so good in junior, he was just able to physically dominate the 16/17/18 year olds that he was playing against who probably averaged like 40 lbs less than him.

From his time here, it looked like he lacked speed and only had average-ish hockey sense. Was ok positionally, but also took himself way out of position at times to go for a hit, pinch, etc. He's got Komisarek in his prime type of upside... really physical/intimidating defenceman, where if he's paired with a really good player, it can cover some of his mental mistakes / agility issues.

But there is a difference between a physical defenceman (Fraser) and a strong defensive defenceman that also happens to have size/use the body (Girardi).

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No better then he did in Philly.

I take JVR over Philly Luke Schenn any day if the week and twice on Sundays.

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I think it was unnecessary for him to bulk up like he did and his skating speed wasn't that great (partially because of the aforementioned issue). I think him (and Komisarek, even) could have been solid players under Carlyle.
Agreed. He got exposed a lot more after that, especially in our fast paced run and gun system

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If Luke Schenn would do better under Carlyle than he did under Wilson, he'd probably look pretty good right now playing opposite Phaneuf. That being said, with JVR, our top 6 wingers positions seem to be well taken care of for the next several years, so it's hard to complain.

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Still not as good as having JVR.
this. I still take JVR over Schenn at his ceiling any day

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He was definitely mismanaged after getting drafted.

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If Luke Schenn would do better under Carlyle than he did under Wilson, he'd probably look pretty good right now playing opposite Phaneuf. That being said, with JVR, our top 6 wingers positions seem to be well taken care of for the next several years, so it's hard to complain.
Yeah I was thinking that too. A phaneuf-schenn or Reilly/gards-schenn top pairing would have us set for years if he ever hit his potential. With that being said, I really like the JVR trade and he fills a huge need in our top 6, adding size and net presence on the PP.

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He was definitely mismanaged after getting drafted.
YOU were mismanaged after getting drafted.

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It wouldn't have mattered much unless he improved his skating.

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Oh no he di-en't

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He couldn't have been worse but I don't know that Carlyle could have removed the cement from his feet either.

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No better then he did in Philly.

I take JVR over Philly Luke Schenn any day if the week and twice on Sundays.
My thought exactly. Brings more to the team than Schenn could, when in all honesty Mark Frasor filled his role last year.

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Tired of people blaming anybody but Schenn for him being useless when he was here. He would still be useless.

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Can we trade him to philly too?

Edit: I don't think Schenn + Phaneuf would've been the best of partners.... Gardiner - Schenn on the other hand might have, but seeing as Gardiner - Franson looks like a solid pairing (at the moment at least) it makes me miss him less. I was/am a big Schenn supporter and I hope he does well in Philly, was hoping the trade for JVR would be Gunnar +, but it still seems to have worked out for us and I like our defense going forward.

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Schenn's weakness as a hockey player generally can be described as moving around on the ice in a timely fashion, which seems correctable to some degree with his slimming down, making effective plays with the puck when he has it, and thinking the game at a high speed when things are chaotic.

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Maybe he'd play as well as Franson. But a top line winger has way too much value. I'd redo that trade any day. Would Schenn be ultra-clutch come playoff time? I have my doubts that his value would be as high as JVR's in the playoffs

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