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08-05-2013, 09:37 AM
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Are these owners sending their votes by carrier pigeon?
C'mon.... it's 2013... they use fax machines ( whatever they hell those are... )

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Name a politician who hasn't broken a promise or two???? It's one thing to being a back seat driver, and then suddenly finding yourself behind the wheel.
Its not "just a promise or two" TL, it was the mans entire platform. He had months leading up to the actual vote to take a read of his constituents in that district quite specifically, business owners & residents, the former clearly the ones most affected should the franchise leave. He was using strong rhetoric such as "no subsidies for out of town owners" & so on & so forth, while capitalizing on his profession as a Firefighter, pictures of Sammy in full gear, that here was a candidate who puts public safety & emergency services ahead of all else. He drew a line in the sand & then crossed it. Had he instead been more temperate with his rhetoric, more careful in his choice of words & posturing, polled the business owners, asked them how they felt about things, wouldve removed the stain of hypocrisy that he now wears. He defeated JC by taking an extreme position, that no way no how would he support gross payments to the league, wannabe owners. Sammy Chavira to the rescue. Hero Firefighter.

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Regardless of his reason for switching, voters who voted for Chavira would have thought he would oppose a Coyotes subsidy, and he did not. It seems a logical conclusion that many citizens in his district oppose the Coyotes deal.
Yes of course. Clark went down to defeat based on that very distinction between the two candidates. Regardless of what whomever thinks of her, she had a track & voting record of supporting the propping up of the franchise. So when voting, do you want more of the same of that with Joyce Clark or do you want Sam Chavira in there who stated in no uncertain terms that he would not support any subsidies or over-payments to an ownership group?. That he was perfectly willing to look at and accept the alternatives if the price of keeping the team was too high, and I would submit that anything over the $6.5M they budgeted for Arena Mgmnt Services is in fact "too high a price to pay". The guy pulled a full on 180 of his entire platform.

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08-05-2013, 09:40 AM
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Also, the NHL would be stuck owning the Coyotes for another year!
I'd like to add that they would own the Coyotes for another year but with no arena lease!

Of course, this should be a formality. But I so wish CoG would grow a pair and tell Bettman to ****...off!


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08-05-2013, 09:42 AM
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I'd like to add that they would own the Coyotes for another year but with no arena lease!

Of course, this should be a formality. But I so wish CoG would grow a pair and tell Bettman to ****...off!
Oh right! I had forgotten about that... The Coyotes having no place to play and the NHL rushing to find a new spot for them would be hillarious.

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08-05-2013, 09:44 AM
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Clark went down to defeat based on that very distinction between the two candidates. Regardless of what whomever thinks of her, she had a track & voting record of supporting the propping up of the franchise.
I wonder how Joyce feels these days? You lose the election and your job to someone fighting on a platform the exact opposite of you.... then once elected... they vote the exact same way you would have.

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08-05-2013, 09:53 AM
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I wonder how Joyce feels these days? You lose the election and your job to someone fighting on a platform the exact opposite of you.... then once elected... they vote the exact same way you would have.
You can read her blog, but she pulls her punches to some extent so unless totally off record, not about to completely eviscerate Chavira as ultimately he did what she'd have likely done anyway. Really rather strange lot, the politically inclined. Be they municipal or whatever level. Not something we need to get into here. Infract Party.

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Not really. The thing to remember is that a lot of the owners of teams in the NHL have come on board AFTER Bettman was given the reins, so effectively they owe the fact that they even own a team to Bettman.... and as a result those teams will never go against he wants to personally do.

So sure each team has a vote, but Bettman knows going into any vote he has a good number of teams in his back pocket that will green light whatever he wants.

IE: Do you think TNSE would ever oppose Bettman after waiting years to get a team back?
Only Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Detroit, and Calgary have owners who pre-date Bettman

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Well part of the reason he won over Joyce Clark was that he wasn't going to support a big giveaway to the Coyotes. Thats not just why some segment of people voted for him, but thats why Alverez threw support behind him and probably why some of the volunteers worked for him. To do a 180 on what was a decisive issue isn't a minor deal.

Speculation.... although I'm sure there were voters viewed it that way. But unless who can show some exit polls from voters as to why they voted for Chavira that's all it is.

Alvarez threw her support behind Chavira because of the casino (Chavira supports it). She has skirted the Open Meeting Law herself more than once holding "district meetings" at her home with the Tohonos. .....And to get another member on the board who would side with her more often (she's always complained about being on the short end of votes). The Coyotes were a very small part of her reason for running his campaign.

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Only Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Detroit, and Calgary have owners who pre-date Bettman
Right. So on any issue, these 5 could comfortably oppose him....you will have a couple of other teams like Toronto, Montreal, NYR that are going to do what's best for themselves, even if it goes against Bettman, because they know they are in power markets...maybe a couple others that have been around long enough to grow a spine....and the rest are sheep ( especially if you are a sheep losing money ) .

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Speculation.... although I'm sure there were voters viewed it that way. But unless who can show some exit polls from voters as to why they voted for Chavira that's all it is.

Alvarez threw her support behind Chavira because of the casino (Chavira supports it). She has skirted the Open Meeting Law herself more than once holding "district meetings" at her home with the Tohonos. .....And to get another member on the board who would side with her more often (she's always complained about being on the short end of votes). The Coyotes were a very small part of her reason for running his campaign.
Alvarez as political Mastermind? Now that's funny.

I'd be surprised if she can remember where she put her shopping list.

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Welp. One things for sure. This thread & the next, possibly one after even that'll be going into overdrive at some point today.

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1) I'd like to see a complete overall accounting that includes the sorts of individual losses like the $300M Moyes claims he had. mock that specific amount if you will, but individual owner losses are not trivial under bettman's reign. he has facilitated a system that allows the majority of the group to rejoice (or not cry all that loudly) while certain other individuals go bankrupt big time.

and 2) ... "they"? you make it sound like the owners are all of one mind. no doubt, he has his cabal of powerful supporters but there can also be no doubt that some do disagree with his decisions (and that nasty cabal sees fit to put them in their place when they do voice some concern ... ie., jacobs on chipman re: lockout).

That's your interpretation..... not mine.

Obviously the league, as a whole, is satisfied with the job Bettman has done so far. Or else they would have replaced him a long time ago would they have not?? They even gave him a raise a couple years ago. I am sure there are a few owners who don't agree with him, but that's also true in all the other pro sports leagues.

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Alvarez as political Mastermind? Now that's funny.

I'd be surprised if she can remember where she put her shopping list.
Your words Whileee.... not mine.

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Welp. One things for sure. This thread & the next, possibly one after even that'll be going into overdrive at some point today.
Oh sure..... throw a little kerosene on the barbie there....

That said... I still won't be surprised which way things go today.


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08-05-2013, 10:18 AM
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Oh sure..... throw a little kerosene on the barbie there.... That said... I still won't be surprised which way things go today.
Yep. "Its a great day for hockey" as Herb Brooks once said.... pretty darn sure the deals going to close. A lot can happen in 5yrs.

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Yep. "Its a great day for hockey" as Herb Brooks once said.... pretty darn sure the deals going to close. A lot can happen in 5yrs.
IMO, more like a lot won't happen...

- sellouts
- 'revenue streams' back to the City
- staying after 5 years...

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Is the deadline midnight or end of the business day?

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IMO, more like a lot won't happen...

- sellouts
- 'revenue streams' back to the City
- staying after 5 years...
Major major heavy duty uphill battle to put it mildly. No question about that. The heavy artillery here is really Global-Spectrum, and to be perfectly frank about it their not exactly frightening, like ever lit the world on fire when it comes to promotions & bookings. Absolutely a basic meat & potato's type arena management firm and a successful one at that. These guys are absolutely going to have to hook up with House of Blues, regional promoters, you name it as hockey operations alone certainly arent going to cut it, not a chance and thats even with sell-outs & paid parking. The building itself, concerts & events, consumer & trade shows, just has got to be ramped right up, full-speed, only hope, chance theyve got, and one cant help but wonder just how sincere this group truly are in accomplishing such. Just so many unanswered questions that they really should have long since addressed publicly. Huge leap of blind faith made by the COG. Troubling.

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Is the deadline midnight or end of the business day?
.... I guess midnight but c'mon here, you kiddin me?

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Only Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Detroit, and Calgary have owners who pre-date Bettman
Not that it matters, but I wanted to point out that Chicago passed from Bill Wirtz to Rocky Wirtz after Bettman was named NHL commissioner.

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.... I guess midnight but c'mon here, you kiddin me?
So the legal deadline is midnight but the practical deadline is 5pm Arizona time?

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.... I guess midnight but c'mon here, you kiddin me?
Just want to be sure so I know when to expect the flood of posts and the eventual legal maneuvering to somehow delay this another week or so.....

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I suspect if they don't close today, they'll close in two weeks.

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So the legal deadline is midnight but the practical deadline is 5pm Arizona time?
Well ya, thats what you kinda have to figure no? Im assuming this is all being handled through the NHL's offices in New York, where its now 12 noon, so Id say actually done & wrapped up by 2pm PST at the latest. Im surprised Bettman & Daly havent called for a Press Conference either in New York for this afternoon or tomorrow in Glendale. Im not seeing anything on search...

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Just want to be sure so I know when to expect the flood of posts and the eventual legal maneuvering to somehow delay this another week or so.....
... ya, pretty much near on impossible not to be completely cynical about it. Just incredible.

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I suspect if they don't close today, they'll close in two weeks.
Dear God, no. No no no no no no... Please. Cant be. Surely not. Deals null & void if they dont close today. Re-wind the clock. Bucket of cold water on everyone. Start from scratch pretty much.

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