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07-22-2013, 05:33 PM
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Putting Nyquist with Abby just seems a waste of his ability to set things up. Brunner worked there because he had some skill and a shot.

Abby doesn't.

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Putting Nyquist with Abby just seems a waste of his ability to set things up. Brunner worked there because he had some skill and a shot.

Abby doesn't.
Realgood point, let's put him with Datsyuk and Zetterberg instead lol

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07-22-2013, 08:10 PM
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Realgood point, let's put him with Datsyuk and Zetterberg instead lol

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Hahahahahhahaa.

It took me a second to figure out what you meant, but it was worth it.

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Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Abdelkader. They need a nickname.

The Olympic Line?

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Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Abdelkader. They need a nickname.

The Olympic Line?
2 studs and a dud line.


p.s. I actually don't hate Abdelkader and think he can be useful... Just hate the fact that I think Babcock is now going to treat him like a top 6 forward from here on out.

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07-23-2013, 02:43 AM
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Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Abdelkader. They need a nickname.

The Olympic Line?
Or the ZAD line. We're all sad seeing it.

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07-23-2013, 04:14 AM
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So --- here's the comparison for 983 ES Minutes
Datsyuk 10 goals 41 points
Bertuzzi 10G 34 Points
Zetterberg 7 goals 32 points
Iginla 12 goals 31 points
Samuelsson 10 goals 26 points
Abdelkader 15 goals 22 points
Alfredsson 10 goals 20 points


And just for fun I included Weiss and Flip's 2011-12 stats, prorated to 983 minutes
Weiss 11 goals 29 points
Filppula 15 goals 44 points

And here are Flip vs Weiss on the Bertuzzi standard, 2010-11
Filppula 16 goals 30 points
Weiss 14 goals 24 points
Just thought I'd toss this in...

ESG/ESP pro-rated to 983:16 ES minutes
Hudler 2012-13 8 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2011-12 21 goals, 37 points
Hudler 2010-11 8 goals, 30 points
Hudler 2008-09 19 goals, 33 points
Hudler 2007-08 12 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2006-07 18 goals, 30 points

Consistently has scored well at ES. I sure am glad we didn't lock him up to a $4m/4yr deal at the beginning of his prime. What a damn shame that would have been.

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07-23-2013, 10:58 AM
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Just thought I'd toss this in...

ESG/ESP pro-rated to 983:16 ES minutes
Hudler 2012-13 8 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2011-12 21 goals, 37 points
Hudler 2010-11 8 goals, 30 points
Hudler 2008-09 19 goals, 33 points
Hudler 2007-08 12 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2006-07 18 goals, 30 points

Consistently has scored well at ES. I sure am glad we didn't lock him up to a $4m/4yr deal at the beginning of his prime. What a damn shame that would have been.
I really gotta agree with you at this point.
We dump Hudler -- and I liked Hudler a lot - more than most.
But I could buy it because 1) Nyquist and Tatar and Brunner were coming and they were cheaper.
But then Nyquist and Tatar start in the AHL.
We finish with Abdelkader and Cleary in the top six ...

How much better might we have looked if our lines last year were
Filppula Zetterberg Hudler
Franzen Datsyuk Tatar
Nyquist Andersson Brunner
Cleary Abdelkader Milller

Sure, that's a small team. But we're a small team now anyway. Our puck possession would be off the charts. We wouldn't match Chicago's speed. But they wouldn't have been able to match our puck possession.


It's very disappointing that Holland has lost Flip and Hudler and now Brunner -- for nothing.

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07-23-2013, 11:24 AM
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I really gotta agree with you at this point.
We dump Hudler -- and I liked Hudler a lot - more than most.
But I could buy it because 1) Nyquist and Tatar and Brunner were coming and they were cheaper.
But then Nyquist and Tatar start in the AHL.
We finish with Abdelkader and Cleary in the top six ...

How much better might we have looked if our lines last year were
Filppula Zetterberg Hudler
Franzen Datsyuk Tatar
Nyquist Andersson Brunner
Cleary Abdelkader Milller

Sure, that's a small team. But we're a small team now anyway. Our puck possession would be off the charts. We wouldn't match Chicago's speed. But they wouldn't have been able to match our puck possession.


It's very disappointing that Holland has lost Flip and Hudler and now Brunner -- for nothing.
What do you mean for nothing? Players go to fa all the time

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07-23-2013, 11:25 AM
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Just thought I'd toss this in...

ESG/ESP pro-rated to 983:16 ES minutes
Hudler 2012-13 8 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2011-12 21 goals, 37 points
Hudler 2010-11 8 goals, 30 points
Hudler 2008-09 19 goals, 33 points
Hudler 2007-08 12 goals, 31 points
Hudler 2006-07 18 goals, 30 points

Consistently has scored well at ES. I sure am glad we didn't lock him up to a $4m/4yr deal at the beginning of his prime. What a damn shame that would have been.
Just because guys get more ice time doesn't automatically mean they'll get more points.

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It's very disappointing that Holland has lost Flip and Hudler and now Brunner -- for nothing.
That does seem strange.

Do you think think he's take the "loyalty" so far that he doesn't even feel comfortable trading players anymore? It's like he just won't do it, no matter what the circumstances. Maybe there wasn't any takers for White or Filppula, but ANYTHING is better than nothing, especially in White's case. I don't miss Hudler at all, but it's too bad we have nothing to show for him, Filppula or Quincey (the first time around).

Brunner didn't seem like a tradeable asset at any point, can't blame Holland for that really.

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07-23-2013, 11:41 AM
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Just because guys get more ice time doesn't automatically mean they'll get more points.
Er... I guess it's not a guarantee, but it's a pretty sure bet...

More IT = More chance = More cashing in.

Can't score if you're not on the ice. That's why we do these PP/ES comparisons.

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07-23-2013, 11:48 AM
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Just because guys get more ice time doesn't automatically mean they'll get more points.
Not 100 percent of the time.
But usually.
From some numbers I've looked at lately, it often seems like the rate of production rises with increased icetime.

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That does seem strange.

Do you think think he's take the "loyalty" so far that he doesn't even feel comfortable trading players anymore? It's like he just won't do it, no matter what the circumstances. Maybe there wasn't any takers for White or Filppula, but ANYTHING is better than nothing, especially in White's case. I don't miss Hudler at all, but it's too bad we have nothing to show for him, Filppula or Quincey (the first time around).

Brunner didn't seem like a tradeable asset at any point, can't blame Holland for that really.
I don't know what it is or why it is. But Holland usually keeps homegrown players. With Flip and Hudler, he seemed pretty happy to let them walk.
Their production is about as much as you could expect from guys in their roles.

Not very many 2nd unit PP guys are lighting up NHL scoreboards

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I don't know what it is or why it is. But Holland usually keeps homegrown players. With Flip and Hudler, he seemed pretty happy to let them walk.
Their production is about as much as you could expect from guys in their roles.

Not very many 2nd unit PP guys are lighting up NHL scoreboards
Well Flipper is 29. He was given a good amount of time and leash. He was in the top6 for a good number of years and just never really impressed. He had one great year last year, slumped again this year and I guess that was the last straw.

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Well Flipper is 29. He was given a good amount of time and leash. He was in the top6 for a good number of years and just never really impressed. He had one great year last year, slumped again this year and I guess that was the last straw.
I think Fillpula produced just fine. Not last year, but since 2008 playoffs on, i think he's been a legit top 6 guy who hasn't always gotten legit top 6 icetime.

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Er... I guess it's not a guarantee, but it's a pretty sure bet...

More IT = More chance = More cashing in.

Can't score if you're not on the ice. That's why we do these PP/ES comparisons.
I should have expanded more. I think its more of a middle line between both of what we think. More ice does equal more chances/points but I dont think its as mathematical as the previous post. Having Hulder of Bert of whoever might work better on the 3rd line because of competition and fatigue.

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Not 100 percent of the time.
But usually.
From some numbers I've looked at lately, it often seems like the rate of production rises with increased icetime.
There's more a factor then just IT though, better linemates, a year older, hitting their prime etc

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I think someone on the lines of Bertuzzi or Mantha (not going to happen) would be the best linemates for Z and D.

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There's more a factor then just IT though, better linemates, a year older, hitting their prime etc
Show me all the forwards in NHL history who went from first line, first unit PP, to a new team, got less icetime, and moves to the 2nd PP unit, and produced more.

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Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Abdelkader. They need a nickname.

The Olympic Line?
2 boats and an an anchor.

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Show me all the forwards in NHL history who went from first line, first unit PP, to a new team, got less icetime, and moves to the 2nd PP unit, and produced more.
I didnt say anyone would produce more the anyone and I'm guessing your talking about Flip/ Weiss. Compare the teams and that will shed more light on it

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Big, physical, right-handed net-front screener who can shoot well would be the most perfect one. Someone like Shane Doan.

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Big, physical, right-handed net-front screener who can shoot well would be the most perfect one. Someone like Shane Doan.
That's a good choice, it's too bad it never happened.

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I don't know what it is or why it is. But Holland usually keeps homegrown players. With Flip and Hudler, he seemed pretty happy to let them walk.
Their production is about as much as you could expect from guys in their roles.

Not very many 2nd unit PP guys are lighting up NHL scoreboards
I don't think he was happy to let them walk, but I think he's so concerned with his and the Red Wings image as a classy organization that he's unwilling to trade players away anymore.

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