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Sam Gagner asking $5.5M in arbitration

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07-20-2013, 10:51 AM
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gagner had more points than RNH this season
Rnh had more points in his rookie year than Gagner's had in any season. When both are injury free, Gagner is not even close.

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Time to trade Sam Gagner.

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The way Oiler fans hype him, you'd think $7M would be reasonable
So. Much. This!!

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Voracek has similar production, same age, 50ish less games played, and has 4.25 cap hit for 3 more years. Can't imagine Gagner getting awarded much more than that.
Except Voracek's contract is considered a complete steal right now.

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07-20-2013, 11:00 AM
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It's arbitration, thats part of the process. You ask for way too much.

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07-20-2013, 11:03 AM
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Are we talking about the same Sam Gagner playing with the Oilers?
5.5 M$ Total, so how much does it come down to per year?

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07-20-2013, 11:06 AM
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The way Oiler fans hype him, you'd think $7M would be reasonable
He's no Kyle Turris...what do sens fans hype him? 8 - 10 mill in comparison?

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07-20-2013, 11:07 AM
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How high would the Oilers be willing to go before walking away?
And, a couple of years ago, I remember there was a player that went to arbitration that ended up in tears over what was said about him in order to bring the award down. Anyone remember who that was?

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07-20-2013, 11:07 AM
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It sounds like a hell of a lot but this is how it works. Bozak was asking for something like this and ended up just over 4.

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07-20-2013, 11:09 AM
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How high would the Oilers be willing to go before walking away?
And, a couple of years ago, I remember there was a player that went to arbitration that ended up in tears over what was said about him in order to bring the award down. Anyone remember who that was?
Probably 5.25M

Then again, considering the depth they have a center, I wouldn't be surprised if the Oilers accept a 5.5M one year award and then walk away from him next season, instead of paying him 5.5M for multiple years.

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07-20-2013, 11:11 AM
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How high would the Oilers be willing to go before walking away?
And, a couple of years ago, I remember there was a player that went to arbitration that ended up in tears over what was said about him in order to bring the award down. Anyone remember who that was?
If he's thinking he's worth 5.5 M, he'll end up with alot more than tears. There's an unbridgeable gap between his self-image and reality. He's in for the shock of his life...

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07-20-2013, 11:12 AM
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It's arbitration, thats part of the process. You ask for way too much.
Yep. This is not (likely) what Gagner is asking for in long-term contract negotiations with the Oilers, nor is it what he expects an arbitrator will actually give him, nor is it what he/his agent think he's "worth". This is the absolute maximum value that his agent thinks he has any somewhat reasonable case/comparable that he can argue for in an arbitration hearing, and it's intentionally inflated at that, so that if/when it comes to an arbitration hearing, when the arbitrator picks a number "in the middle" he will have room to pick a high number.

Kind of wish they would go with baseball-style arbitration where the arbitrator has to pick one of the two numbers (player's or team's) presented in the hearing, that way it encourages both parties to present realistic numbers so that their option doesn't get dismissed out of hand. NHL-style arbitration encourages both sides to present ridiculous numbers...

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07-20-2013, 11:12 AM
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Combined with them settling for only a one-year contract after negotiations last summer, I think this may be more about getting to UFA next year. He probably wants a one year deal unless he can get a ridiculous number, which the Oilers were not giving him (rightfully so).
He'll get most likely more than he is making now on a one year award and while that won't be terribly close to 5.5m that's probably what his endgame was anyway.

Besides, not a Gagner fan, but I really wish we knew what both sides were starting with in these negotiations to have a better picture. I remember when everyone was all up on Subban's supposedly "ridiculous demands".

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07-20-2013, 11:16 AM
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There's no way he's worth at $5.5 million cap hit considering the talent he's surrounded by and the fact he hasn't hit more than 50 points or 20 goals. That being said, he may earn that later in his career but at the moment, he'll probably get around 4 to 4.5 like Bozak is earning but certainly nothing over $5 mil
He was on pace for more than 20 goals and 60 points this last year. On paper he looks like a $4 mil - $4.5 mil ish center.

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Everyone wants a piece of the pie. Gagner isn't worth 5.5mil.

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Rnh had more points in his rookie year than Gagner's had in any season. When both are injury free, Gagner is not even close.
RNH has never had an eight point game though

Gagner the Great is a step above the rest! his peers include the likes of Maurice Richard. Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky. The fans should feel privileged that he's willing to sign for 5.5mil.

In all seriousness 5.5mil is quite a bit too high and I can't see the oilers signing him for over 4. With their youth its difficult to balance your cap going forward and he's just not a piece for them to build around.

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07-20-2013, 11:24 AM
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And this is what happens when a fringe first liner is paid like a legit #1C. *Bozak that is*

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Gagner has a lot of leverage here. Oilers center depth is iffy even with him and it's hard seeing it end well if it goes to arbitration.

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07-20-2013, 11:32 AM
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Gagner has a lot of leverage here. Oilers center depth is iffy even with him and it's hard seeing it end well if it goes to arbitration.
I think that leverage is dependent on how the Oilers think negotiations with RNH will be. I expect RNH to be appreciably better in every facet of the game than Gagner next year, and when it's time to sign RNH to an extention, you want his comparable to be Hall at $6 million, not Gagner at $5.5 million.

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Gagner has a lot of leverage here. Oilers center depth is iffy even with him and it's hard seeing it end well if it goes to arbitration.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but arbitration does not take into account team needs.

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You guys do realize how arbitration works, right?

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but arbitration does not take into account team needs.
You're right. But I think leverage matters when it comes to the Oilers accepting the award or letting Gagner walk.

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And this is what happens when a fringe first liner is paid like a legit #1C. *Bozak that is*
UFA Bozak has nothing to do with RFA Gagner. Do you actually know how much Bozak makes? He certainly does NOT get paid like a 1C. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of following the crowd. The world's ills re not all Bozaks fault.

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Using bozak as an example i imagine. Nonis has opened the door for this by signing him to that stupid contract
Bozak was a UFA Gagner is an RFA, completely different situations

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