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Sam Gagner asking $5.5M in arbitration

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07-20-2013, 01:37 PM
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Don't think he is worth 5.5 million, but his stats last year over 82 games would be 65 points. 4.5 million on a 3 year term makes a lot of sense.
He's also never scored 20 goals or 50 points. $4.5 million seems a little steep for one year that may be an aberration, especially for 3 years. Though $4.5 million is likely what he gets.

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Booth + Tanev

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Gagner

Perron becomes Edmontons 2nd line center
As a Canucks fan, don't want Gagner free for a contract over $4m... I'll take my chances with Tanev and Booth.

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comon ppl...of course hes going to ask for a lot...this way the amount he finally settles is higher than if he would have asked for a lower amount. pretty simple really. hes not gonna ask for 4 and settle for 3.5 when he can ask for 5.5 and settle for 4.5. hes gonna try and get thr most.

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But.. Bozak makes less than 5.5...
If he makes 4.25 Sam is worth 5.5

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This is why we have lockouts. Marginal players getting greedy and stupid GMs signing terrible contracts.

I love how the players were so concerned about future players, during the lockout, until it's their time to cash in. It's like an environmentalist driving a Hummer.

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I can't see him getting less then 4mil. I don't think he's necessarily worth that but that's a different conversation.

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Don't think he is worth 5.5 million, but his stats last year over 82 games would be 65 points. 4.5 million on a 3 year term makes a lot of sense.
not for the Canucks it doesn't.. you don't win in the playoffs by paying players like Gagner 4.5 mil

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5.5 million?

Or is it for two years

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what a selfish *****. He's worth maybe half of that

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And this is what happens when a fringe first liner is paid like a legit #1C. *Bozak that is*
Bozak is making nowhere near #1C money.

4.2M AAV isn't #1C money

Gagner, being a RFA, should be happy with 3.5M and focus on learning how to win a faceoff.

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he did score 1 point more than couture. so obviously he is worth 5.5

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Sam isn't the best C on the team, The Nuge is. If you want to simply judge by points in a 48 game season where Hopkins played with a bum shoulder, then do so. I'm going to factor in what the player looks like on the ice, and Nuge reads the play better, plays more physical, is a better playmaker, better along the boards, better skater and better defensively.

Eberle got paid 6 mil because he finished 16th in league scoring, went to the All-Star game, and was arguably our best player that year (I still think it was The Nuge). Gagner was coming off his usual 45ish pt season where every other aspect of his game was adequate or sub par. Even this year, Sam out scored Eberle by 1 point and Eberle played a third of the season with a broken finger. Look at Eberle's final 17 games when he began to look comfortable again - 9 goals, 17pts and a +5. Sam is not in the same class as Eberle, so don't even think of using him as an example to justify Gagner's contract demands.
Eberle inflated his totals in his last two games.

It's the classic case or having no pressure or nothing to play for.

If Eberle is worth 6 gagner has to be close.

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"He has the 2nd most points in his draft year" -HF Oiler Fan.

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He's no Kyle Turris...what do sens fans hype him? 8 - 10 mill in comparison?
actually he signed an amazing deal at 3 million ,

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Lol this.

Enjoy locking up your "#1 young center" oilers.
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The way Oiler fans hype him, you'd think $7M would be reasonable
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"He has the 2nd most points in his draft year" -HF Oiler Fan.
I dont get this posts at all. No Oiler fan wants to pay him 5.5 mil and how have we hyped him when he is included in every trade proposal..

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This is how arbitration (and contract negotiations in general) go, always start high. If he I the player Oilers fans say he is he should get paid though.

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Bozak was a UFA Gagner is an RFA, completely different situations
Well maybe if we were arbitrators and not hockey nerds on a message board. If we are talking about fair value for Gagner look at how much Weiss got, both a UFA and better player, to see how crazy anything above 4 is.

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This is why we have lockouts. Marginal players getting greedy and stupid GMs signing terrible contracts.

I love how the players were so concerned about future players, during the lockout, until it's their time to cash in. It's like an environmentalist driving a Hummer.
Yeah, this is why I hate when simple-minded people blame the owners for lockouts. Its not just marginal players, its all players that get greedy in these contract negotiations which adds to the NHLs problems.
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comon ppl...of course hes going to ask for a lot...this way the amount he finally settles is higher than if he would have asked for a lower amount. pretty simple really. hes not gonna ask for 4 and settle for 3.5 when he can ask for 5.5 and settle for 4.5. hes gonna try and get thr most.
Yeah, but it makes for a better story if you ignore that and say "OMG he's sooo greedy" I guess

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The way Oiler fans hype him, you'd think $7M would be reasonable
Oilers fans actually think he should get in the mid-4s. A few say he should get in the 3's, but thats unreasonable in today's NHL economics.

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The way Oiler fans hype him, you'd think $7M would be reasonable
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Lol this.

Enjoy locking up your "#1 young center" oilers.
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So. Much. This!!
Well in that case, Gardiner should be making more than Weber.

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I think his head is in the clouds this time around.

Who are his comparables?

Zajac was a UFA when he re-upped. So was Bozak. And the Tavares comparison puts icing on the cake. Gagner's an excellent player, but it's hard to imagine him winning this arbitration hearing.

For anyone who's interested, here's the last time around before they settled hours before the hearing:

http://www.law.utoronto.ca/utfl_file...ub%20Brief.pdf

I don't think you can say "I scored 8 points in a game!!" more than once when you're asking for a raise.

Let's see him win something before paying him like a superstar.

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I dont get this posts at all.
Its easy to get. Posts like that are made by people who are not bright enough to have discussions with intelligent posters. They like to argue with the most extreme homers only, becausue it matches their skill level.

If they had an argument with a smart, reasonable poster, they would get owned. So they keep to arguing with the silly homers and then quote them in other threads because thats the extent of their knowledge of other fan bases.

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lol. told you Oil fans that Gagner was gonna ask for the moon.

the guy will end up being the most overpaid unidimensional player in the NHL.

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we overpaid Eberle at 6M. Gags is worth maybe 4-4.5M. No one can ask for more than 6M (RNH,Yak,schultz) until they outplay Hall. They set the benchmark by signing Hall first

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@FriedgeHNIC: Regarding Sam Gagner. He has asked for $5.5M on a one-year deal in arbitration (as reported by @DarrenDreger ). EDM's ask is $3.5M...

Seems very similar to the NHLPA having 57% of revenues, and the NHL asking them to change to 43% in their first offer, in an a thinly veiled attempt to get to 50-50. Maybe they both are looking at 4.5 and just have to sort out years and NMC's.

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Tomas Plekanec and Kesler make 5m/year, zero reason Gagner should make more than them. They are ideal 2nd line centres, Gagner is a good player but won't be as good as them.

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