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Sean Couturier signs extension with Flyers (2 years, $1.75M AAV)

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07-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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This deal is no different than the Subban deal, just one year earlier. So to everyone saying, "Wow, his stock really dropped!", no, it has nothing to do with that. Couturier is only 20 years old.

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someone enlighten me... has Couturiers stock fallen so much?

Is he really just a "third line checker"??

I mean, because apparently last summer he was the deal breaker that kept philly from getting Weber...
No. He's a solid two-way center who plays on the 3rd line. He was our best defensive forward last year, and I believe he was also best at moving the puck up the ice into the offensive zone, too. Unfortunately his linemates were crap so once he got there he usually had little choice but to dump it.

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07-20-2013, 12:29 PM
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Great contract for the flyers

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07-20-2013, 12:29 PM
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No. He's a solid two-way center who plays on the 3rd line. He was our best defensive forward last year, and I believe he was also best at moving the puck up the ice into the offensive zone, too. Unfortunately his linemates were crap so once he got there he usually had little choice but to dump it.
Yep. It seemed like he'd play with Talbot and an old Gagne each game after we acquired Gagne. In the games that' he's played on the 1st and 2nd lines due to injuries, he hans't looked out of place

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So much for him getting signed to humongous offersheets from 29 NHL teams, every KHL team, and a few NBA teams to boot.
Did people really say this? In what world is Couturier worthy of a "humongous" offersheet?

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You can't compare RFA contract to UFA contracts.

By this logic, subban is at best a 2nd pairing D man due to his cap hit
Subban was signed after the season started. It was a compromise and not what Subban wanted. The alternative was the O'Reilly route with open conflict with the front office.

Here Couturier basically removes himself as an offer sheet target at a discount a year in advance. Either he's got the worlds worst agent or he doesn't think there is a lot of offense to him.

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Did people really say this? In what world is Couturier worthy of a "humongous" offersheet?
It has nothing to do with the player's value and everything to do with some odd form of rage in these parts over Paul Holmgren doing things allowed by the CBA.

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Did people really say this? In what world is Couturier worthy of a "humongous" offersheet?
HFboards seems to think if you sign a player to an offersheet, you will get revenge offersheets for more than the player is worth. Still waiting for revenge on the Kesler and Weber offersheets

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Going to be hard to karma-offer sheet the Flyers if there's no one left to sign.
That's the difference between the Flyers and others in the way they do business! If the Flyers want a player, he wont get a chance to be offer sheeted. If another teams player gets to that point, than thats the clubs stupidity for allowing it, dont blame the flyers for doing whatever it takes to win! If a Flyers players gets offer sheeted, that means they don't want him on the roster and are wanting the draft picks!

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Subban was signed after the season started. It was a compromise and not what Subban wanted. The alternative was the O'Reilly route with open conflict with the front office.

Here Couturier basically removes himself as an offer sheet target at a discount a year in advance. Either he's got the worlds worst agent or he doesn't think there is a lot of offense to him.
Or maybe he wanted a prove it contract and loves the team? Giroux signed a 2 year deal at 3.75m per for us a few years ago.

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Subban was signed after the season started. It was a compromise and not what Subban wanted. The alternative was the O'Reilly route with open conflict with the front office.

Here Couturier basically removes himself as an offer sheet target at a discount a year in advance. Either he's got the worlds worst agent or he doesn't think there is a lot of offense to him.
Lol, you're grasping at straws if you think this reflects Couturier's opinion of himself.

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Not even sure anyone would have been interested in him TBH.
Someone would have easily be interested, but it would have taken easily twice as much as he now signed for to actually not get matched and that would just have been dumb to the nth power.

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Yep. It seemed like he'd play with Talbot and an old Gagne each game after we acquired Gagne. In the games that' he's played on the 1st and 2nd lines due to injuries, he hans't looked out of place
Indeed. One of my favorite parts of his offensive game, and one that rarely gets mentioned, is his awareness of his linemates and playing to their strengths. When he's out with the likes of Rinaldo/Rosehill and Talbot, he would gain the zone, hold up and wait for them to get deep, then dump it in the corner to them to let them try and outgrind the opposition; he would go to open space to see what comes of it. When he was with guys who were actually capable of doing something with the puck he would just pass it to them. He showed awareness of his linemate's strengths and weaknesses and played accordingly. Not bad for a 20 year old.

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HFboards seems to think if you sign a player to an offersheet, you will get revenge offersheets for more than the player is worth. Still waiting for revenge on the Kesler and Weber offersheets
Hey man, its an old-boys club at the top and not using offer-sheets has kind of been an unwritten rule that most of these guys abide by. I definitely believe that by offer-sheeting others it exposes you to no longer being protected by that unwritten rule. There also hasn't been anyone worth offer-sheeting because, like your team's fans have stated, Philly doesn't let their RFAs get to that point. Maybe theres a reason for that.. Anyway, we can agree to disagree.

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If it's an unwritten rule, that would be collusion as you are keeping a player's value down.

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Or maybe he wanted a prove it contract and loves the team? Giroux signed a 2 year deal at 3.75m per for us a few years ago.
Wouldn't he have this year as a prove it period if that's what he wanted?

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Did people really say this? In what world is Couturier worthy of a "humongous" offersheet?
Only fans in Philly.

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Wouldn't he have this year as a prove it period if that's what he wanted?
He's not going to prove much with Laviolette using him the way he does. Lavi is definitely gone after this year

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Only fans in Philly.
I think you need to go back and review the Weber offersheet thread

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If it's an unwritten rule, that would be collusion as you are keeping a player's value down.
This. It's bad management to open yourself up to the risk of OS by letting guys go too long. It's also dumb management to pass up an opportunity to add someone via OS because you don't want to offend the sensibilities of your opponent. It's a GM's job to build a winning team, at the expense of other teams if need be.

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If it's an unwritten rule, that would be collusion as you are keeping a player's value down.
Ok, less of an unwritten rule, more common sense then. History shows that whatever the offer-sheet may be, it'll likely just be matched, so, in essence, it only takes common sense to see that all you would be doing is inflating prices and not getting anything in return.

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I think you need to go back and review the Weber offersheet thread
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Ok, less of an unwritten rule, more common sense then. History shows that whatever the offer-sheet may be, it'll likely just be matched, so, in essence, it only takes common sense to see that all you would be doing is inflating prices and not getting anything in return.
If you inflate the prices of players on the other team, it's a win if they match
If you inflate the prices of the player and you get the player, it's still a win.

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Wouldn't he have this year as a prove it period if that's what he wanted?
Most teams don't go big when a player's ELC expires. Especially when the player in question has only one year of substantial production (assuming Couturier actually does "prove it" this season).

Had he taken the year and put up 40-45 points, what would his contract be then? He'd still be looking at a bridge contract. Maybe in the 2.5m range, though. I'm not sure what you're logic is. It's not like he was ever going to be getting above 3m for more than two years even if he let things play out this season.

So either way, he's still going to be getting a bridge contract.

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1)If you inflate the prices of players on the other team, it's a win if they match
1)If you inflate the prices of the player and you get the player, it's still a win.
1)Not really, considering it'll set a standard for the league. Kinda like Zajac did when his own GM gave out the first contract after the current CBA was signed.

1)If you inflate the prices of players and you get them at least you have something to show for it in the short-term.

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