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Sean Couturier signs extension with Flyers (2 years, $1.75M AAV)

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07-20-2013, 02:17 PM
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One is playing on a terrible team and another is playing on a stacked offensive team.
Hahahaha wow

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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.

Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.

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Seriously? RNH > Couturier. RNH has way more offensive upside right now, and is becoming a pretty good two way player according to Edmonton fans. Just because he doesn't play against Malkin, Stamkos, etc. doesn't take anything away from him.

Give me RNH every day.
Nice reading comprehension at no point did I say that.

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We'll see at this point you can't argue that RHN is the better player offensively of the two but he doesn't have the task of going up against Malkin, Stamkos, Krejci etc. in the east like Couturier does.

Offense pays you the money & as of right now combine that with being an RFA Couturier didn't have much wiggle room. Potential can only get you so far in contract negotiations.
And when he does it's in the back of the net. The Oilers net that is...

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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.

Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.
How many of those points came at ES with Couturier on the ice

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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.

Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.
Probably because when he's matched up against him his even strength point total is low?

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Hahahaha wow
Nothing you have said has refuted that you pretty much always get less points when you play with lesser players.

How many points would RNH get if he was playing with players like Shelley, Rinaldo, Talbot, and an aging Gagne?

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The deal last year was Schenn+Couturier++ apparently

His stock hasn't fallen. It's a prove it contract.

Most of his problem is the way Laviolette uses him
right, but as we heard it, Couturier was the piece Holmgren was unwilling to part with, and Poile absolutley had to have.

anyway, just found it very interesting..

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Couturier at 1.75

or

Clarkson at 5.25

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right, but as we heard it, Couturier was the piece Holmgren was unwilling to part with, and Poile absolutley had to have.

anyway, just found it very interesting..
Everything I've heard was that he was unwilling to move both together

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right, but as we heard it, Couturier was the piece Holmgren was unwilling to part with, and Poile absolutley had to have.

anyway, just found it very interesting..
No, it was the fact that poile wanted couturier + schenn ++ .

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Couturier at 1.75

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Clarkson at 5.25
Two different types of players not comparable at all. One was a UFA the other was RFA also.

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Nothing you have said has refuted that you pretty much always get less points when you play with lesser players.

How many points would RNH get if he was playing with players like Shelley, Rinaldo, Talbot, and an aging Gagne?
Except Couturier did not play with Shelley Rinaldo and Gagne all that often... Behindthenet lists Read and Talbot as his most frequent linemates... so unless Matt Read is now a blackhole of offense... same with a guy who had 34 points the year before... you are being disingenuous

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Salary is a reflection of how the player is viewed. You think Homer said he sees Couturier as a top six forward and by the way wants to pay him Talbot money?
Subban held out for 2yrs 2.875mil/yr.

That player has obviously amounted to nothing more than a bottom pairing Dman...

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If anyone is interested, Bill Meltzer did a pretty detailed write-up on Couturier at the end of the season. Ignoring the Penguins series that people always hype up, it seems like his defensive skills are progressing at a nice clip. Offensively, he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed, so that's still "potential" at this point.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...2#.UertmY1JNJR

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07-20-2013, 03:11 PM
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Except Couturier did not play with Shelley Rinaldo and Gagne all that often... Behindthenet lists Read and Talbot as his most frequent linemates... so unless Matt Read is now a blackhole of offense... same with a guy who had 34 points the year before... you are being disingenuous
Umm I thinking you are reading the stats wrong.



This is assuming that at 22% of the time, Couturier played with 2 4th liners and a 3rd liner. Thats not even looking below that. Because around 16% of the time, he played with players that could actually score.

We seriously are not comparing linemates are we?


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Here is RNH's



I think we are done here....


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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.

Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.
The scoring in that series was inflated. 3 of Malkin's points came in the 10-3 blowout and many of his points came on the powerplay. Even strength, however, Couturier gave him fits. You could tell that Malkin was frustrated just by watching the series.

Considering how well Malkin was playing coming into the playoffs and how little impact he actually had on the series, it may not be fair to say he shut him down, but let's not act like Malkin was anywhere close to the player he was in the regular season and Couturier deserves credit for that.

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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.


Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.
We're talking even strength. Malkin was held to just 3 assists in 12 games when Sean Couturier was on the ice 5 v 5. (that's regular season and playoffs included)

Then take into consideration he always got Malkin so frustrated that he took dumb penalties. Couturier is that guy's kryptonite plain and simple.

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Nice one Holmgren

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Why do the Flyers keep mentioning that Couturier shut down Malkin? He did not shut down anyone.

If shutting down Malkin equals 8 points in the playoffs...be very glad he wasn't shut down because he would have single handedly destroyed Philly.

Is that what you're really trying to say?

SC is a #3C right now with a chance to become a #2C.
Why the hate pi? Watch the games? Guess not. The Flyers know what they have in Sean and really could care less what you think. Have a good day.

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Good deal amidst a sea of terrible ones

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Good deal amidst a sea of terrible ones
Care to elaborate more on that claim? I only really see one in the Streit deal.

http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/

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Care to elaborate more on that claim? I only really see one in the Streit deal.

http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/
That looks like an extremely mediocre roster on paper, with a bunch of old baggage. I'd be very surprised to see that roster make the playoffs fully healthy.. 1-2 major injuries and that ship is sinking fast.

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If anyone is interested, Bill Meltzer did a pretty detailed write-up on Couturier at the end of the season. Ignoring the Penguins series that people always hype up, it seems like his defensive skills are progressing at a nice clip. Offensively, he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed, so that's still "potential" at this point.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...2#.UertmY1JNJR
That's a good write-up. People should read these too

Preaching patience: Analyzing Sean Couturier's offensive woes in 2013

Sean Couturier's continued evolution as an elite defensive player

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That looks like an extremely mediocre roster on paper, with a bunch of old baggage. I'd be very surprised to see that roster make the playoffs fully healthy.. 1-2 major injuries and that ship is sinking fast.
That doesn't elaborate your original claim.

Any team that suffers 1-2 major injuries is likely to be trouble.


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