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07-21-2013, 01:23 AM
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To Edmonton:

Ryan Johansen
Oscar Dansk
Nikita Nikitin

To Columbus:

Jordan Eberle
Jeff Petry
Change Johansen for Anisimov, then Nikitin for Johnson and I think it's closer.

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07-21-2013, 01:48 AM
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Well that seals it, two of our most valuable roster players for projects is the way to go now that we have Eakins.

Hell, instead of rebuilding let's just call it Oilers arts and crafts where each project gets a gold star when they crack the line up and are then immediately shipped out for new projects.

Hate to bash a fellow Oiler fan, but C'mon man this just isn't for you.
That whole post is awesome and so is your Username!

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I thought I had clicked into the worst proposal thread when I came in here. This makes zero sense for the Oilers.

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The Oilers will not trade Eberle unless it's for a clear upgrade, the type that the other team would never go for. Completely removed from his contributions on the ice, he and Hall are best friends, and he forms a large part of the core that the team has stated it's going to build around. He's also a big part of the new leadership group in Edmonton, having worn an A this past season. Trading him at this point would be disruptive to the point that it would have to be a big-time over pay to be worth it.

I don't think Edmonton would trade Petry without getting a RHD in return either.

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07-21-2013, 05:35 AM
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Please, stop making proposals. These aren't even funny any more.

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07-21-2013, 12:43 PM
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Change Johansen for Anisimov, then Nikitin for Johnson and I think it's closer.
Closer to what? Bat**** insanity fantasyland?

That's our #1C and our #1D and our best center prospect for a third quality scoring RW and a fifth top-4 defenseman. That is a massive lose for Columbus.


Seriously, this "fanbase makes a proposal, then fanbase demands overpayment" feedback loop bull**** has to stop and has to stop now. It's insulting. We didn't ask for the guy. You approached us, not the other way around. And it happens every. single. damn. time. with any Oilers-Jackets thread.

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07-21-2013, 12:54 PM
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if oilers trade eberle, a big shutdown def + a bottom 6 with grit should be good.

no projet. they need the big D NOW.

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07-21-2013, 01:03 PM
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No team wants Gagner at even 4.5 mil + /year

There is absolutely no center depth in Edmonton.

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No team wants Gagner at even 4.5 mil + /year
...did you see some of the contracts handed out during FA? Gagner at 4.5 is a steal compared to them.

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07-21-2013, 02:14 PM
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To Edmonton:

Ryan Johansen
Oscar Dansk
Nikita Nikitin

To Columbus:

Jordan Eberle
Jeff Petry
Last 2 years
RW Goals
1- Neal 61
2- Kessel 57
3- Gaborik 53
4- Perry 52
5- Ryder 51
6 Eberle 50
7- kovi 48
8- Vrbata 47
9- Kane- 46
10- Hossa 46

RW points
1- Giroux 140
2- Kessel 134
3- St. louis 134
4- Kane 121
5 - Neal 117
6- kovi 114
7- Eberle 113
8- Hossa 108
9- Pomminville
10- Gaborik 103

top 10 in both
Kessel 2;2
Neal 1: 6
Gaborik 3; 10
Eberle 6; 7
Hossa 7: 6
Kane 9; 4
Hossa 10; 8

List of top line comp Dmen
with upper EVGA
and Top 40 PKGA
Chara
Boychuk
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Jackman
Petry
Smid.

So you want edmonton to give up one of the best RW in the game.
and one of the 7 best tough situation dmen in the game.

Would anyone do Kane( top 6 RW) and Hjarlmasson (Top 7 tough comp D) for that?

Edit: we do lack center depth.
But, MacT has stated gagner is a winger in ability.
he is likely negotiating that way!

there is a chance hall gets moved to centre with his 56% FO%
XXX-Hall-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
XXX-Gordon-hemsky


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07-21-2013, 02:25 PM
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Change Johansen for Anisimov, then Nikitin for Johnson and I think it's closer.
Actually, it makes it ****ing worse.

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07-21-2013, 03:27 PM
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Last 2 years
RW Goals
1- Neal 61
2- Kessel 57
3- Gaborik 53
4- Perry 52
5- Ryder 51
6 Eberle 50
7- kovi 48
8- Vrbata 47
9- Kane- 46
10- Hossa 46

RW points
1- Giroux 140
2- Kessel 134
3- St. louis 134
4- Kane 121
5 - Neal 117
6- kovi 114
7- Eberle 113
8- Hossa 108
9- Pomminville
10- Gaborik 103

top 10 in both
Kessel 2;2
Neal 1: 6
Gaborik 3; 10
Eberle 6; 7
Hossa 7: 6
Kane 9; 4
Hossa 10; 8
This chart is potentially helpful in that upon review of same, you may notice that there's a certain Blue Jackets player who is similarly prominent at that position.

And we also have Atkinson on the way up. And we just signed Horton.

Please consider this the next time y'all try to come up with yet another trade proposal that involves sending us a RW.

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...did you see some of the contracts handed out during FA? Gagner at 4.5 is a steal compared to them.
No... Gagner is an undersized 2nd/3rd line center. His value is closer to Mark Letestu than, say, Nate Horton.

Edmonton has 5 players of value at the moment. Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle, and Schultz. If Oiler fans don't want to deal one of them, then they shouldn't expect to be offered anything of value.

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07-21-2013, 04:47 PM
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I can switch Ryan Johansen for Artem Anisimov if necessary.

Anisimov - Yakupov duo would be off the hook.



I am a Jeff Petry fan as well and know Nikita Nikitin is no upgrade on Petry at the moment but it seems like no Oil fans have witnessed him either.


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Anisimov - Yakupov duo would be off the hook.
Maybe. I'd give you Nikitin for him.

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07-21-2013, 07:06 PM
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Actually, it makes it ****ing worse.
I wouldn't give you Eberle straight up for the first package. Johansen and Dansk haven't proven crap, Nikitin has shown a bit but is he worth a 23 year old top 10 RW in the game? Not a chance. If you want Eberle at minimum it's Anisimov and Tyutin coming back to Edmonton.

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07-21-2013, 07:34 PM
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Last 2 years
RW Goals
1- Neal 61
2- Kessel 57
3- Gaborik 53
4- Perry 52
5- Ryder 51
6 Eberle 50
7- kovi 48
8- Vrbata 47
9- Kane- 46
10- Hossa 46

RW points
1- Giroux 140
2- Kessel 134
3- St. louis 134
4- Kane 121
5 - Neal 117
6- kovi 114
7- Eberle 113
8- Hossa 108
9- Pomminville
10- Gaborik 103

top 10 in both
Kessel 2;2
Neal 1: 6
Gaborik 3; 10
Eberle 6; 7
Hossa 7: 6
Kane 9; 4
Hossa 10; 8

List of top line comp Dmen
with upper EVGA
and Top 40 PKGA
Chara
Boychuk
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Jackman
Petry
Smid.

So you want edmonton to give up one of the best RW in the game.
and one of the 7 best tough situation dmen in the game.

Would anyone do Kane( top 6 RW) and Hjarlmasson (Top 7 tough comp D) for that?

Edit: we do lack center depth.
But, MacT has stated gagner is a winger in ability.
he is likely negotiating that way!

there is a chance hall gets moved to centre with his 56% FO%
XXX-Hall-Yakupov
Perron-RNH-Eberle
XXX-Gordon-hemsky
I always knew Kessel was top RWinger
Give Johansen some ore time

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columbus is not about to give up on johansen, alot of up side in that boy!!!!

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If you want Eberle...
We don't. Your fanbase came to ours. We have no interest in making a deal with Edmonton, because our respective needs do not match up.

...and some of us are VERY short on patience with certain of the Oilers fanbase.


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We don't. Your fanbase came to ours. We have no interest in making a deal with Edmonton, because our respective needs do not match up.

...and some of us are VERY short on patience with certain of the Oilers fanbase.
Fair enough, I presumed Lakai was a Columbus poster given how lopsided the deal was in favour of Columbus.

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I wouldn't give you Eberle straight up for the first package. Johansen and Dansk haven't proven crap, Nikitin has shown a bit but is he worth a 23 year old top 10 RW in the game? Not a chance. If you want Eberle at minimum it's Anisimov and Tyutin coming back to Edmonton.
Good, I don't even want Eberle. Especially not for our top goalie prospect, our top forward prospect, and one of our top defenseman. You can keep him. also anisimov isn't going anywhere either, as he's our top center.

Oilers-CBJ don't make good partners and there always seems to be animosity between the two fanbases. So, let's move on. We don't want to give up Johansen+, and they don't want to give up Eberle. Done?

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07-21-2013, 11:35 PM
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I wouldn't give you Eberle straight up for the first package. Johansen and Dansk haven't proven crap, Nikitin has shown a bit but is he worth a 23 year old top 10 RW in the game? Not a chance. If you want Eberle at minimum it's Anisimov and Tyutin coming back to Edmonton.
CBJ fans are clearly not asking for Eberle.. They've actually made the opposite pretty obvious.

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I don't see why you guys are so against Eberle but to each there own. If I remember correctly Gaborik was a LW in Minny so if you did get Eberle your could put together a pretty solid top line. But we're not trading him, so the point is mute.

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I don't see why you guys are so against Eberle but to each there own. If I remember correctly Gaborik was a LW in Minny so if you did get Eberle your could put together a pretty solid top line. But we're not trading him, so the point is mute.
Gaborik has never played LW for any extended period of time. He's capable of it the same way Hemsky might be capable of playing LW - he'll do it and has done it before, but it's a misuse of the player.

And we're not against Eberle so much as we are frustrated with attempting to discuss any trade proposals that involve the Oilers.

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Gaborik has never played LW for any extended period of time. He's capable of it the same way Hemsky might be capable of playing LW - he'll do it and has done it before, but it's a misuse of the player.

And we're not against Eberle so much as we are frustrated with attempting to discuss any trade proposals that involve the Oilers.
You sure about that because I'm 99% sure he was drafted as a LW and played LW in Minny.

Edit: Can't find any definitive evidence on this. Could just be that I've always seen him as LW because of the media and EA sports listing him wrong.


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