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07-20-2013, 05:11 PM
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RFA swap (Johansson for true center)

Marcus Johansson had tremendous finish for the year. He's still only 22 (23 in October), and has bright future ahead of him... but it probably lies on the left wing.

Caps don't really need it as they have Martin Erat and Brooks Laich who can play LW and Evgeny Kuznetsov who will most likely play LW with Oates philosophy.

Right now, Caps top-6 looks like:
Johansson - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Erat - Laich - Brouwer

The purpose of the trade would be to move Laich back to LW while getting a more offensive-minded 2C:
Erat - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - ??? - Brouwer

I think trading him for another RFA of his level would be the smartest decision.
Options:
Sam Gagner (Caps can't afford his contract demands)
Bryan Little
Cody Hodgsom
Derek Stepan (would probably require a + though)
Adam Henrique

Needs of other teams weren't taken into consideration, so please correct me if you don't need a W-for-C trade.

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07-20-2013, 05:14 PM
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Gagner is only 23 with a similar draft pedigree, yet he's seen as inferior to Johansen. Never understood that..

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Gagner is only 23 with a similar draft pedigree, yet he's seen as inferior to Johansen. Never understood that..
Johansson.

I never said he's inferior. I'd even go as far as saying that he's superior ATM.

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Marcus Johansson had tremendous finish for the year. He's still only 22 (23 in October), and has bright future ahead of him... but it probably lies on the left wing.

Caps don't really need it as they have Martin Erat and Brooks Laich who can play LW and Evgeny Kuznetsov who will most likely play LW with Oates philosophy.

Right now, Caps top-6 looks like:
Johansson - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Erat - Laich - Brouwer

The purpose of the trade would be to move Laich back to LW while getting a more offensive-minded 2C:
Erat - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - ??? - Brouwer

I think trading him for another RFA of his level would be the smartest decision.
Options:
Sam Gagner (Caps can't afford his contract demands)
Bryan Little
Cody Hodgsom
Derek Stepan (would probably require a + though)
Adam Henrique

Needs of other teams weren't taken into consideration, so please correct me if you don't need a W-for-C trade.
Stepan is a no go

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07-20-2013, 05:22 PM
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Johansson.

I never said he's inferior. I'd even go as far as saying that he's superior ATM.
http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8475793

Johansen.

We aren't talking about Scarlett here. But if we are, I'd trade Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov, + 1sts for the next 30 years.

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http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8475793

Johansen.

We aren't talking about Scarlett here. But if we are, I'd trade Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov, + 1sts for the next 30 years.
You do realize he isn't talking about Ryan Johansen either, right?

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http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8475793

Johansen.

We aren't talking about Scarlett here. But if we are, I'd trade Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov, + 1sts for the next 30 years.
Lol.

It's Marcus Johansson.

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Stepan is a no go
OK

One more note, if you're a non-playoff team and your GM's name is Greg Sherman, we'll gladly accept your first and secound round picks for Marcus. Thanks.

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Must be tough for that Johansen guy to play on both Jackets and the Caps.

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what kinda contract is he looking for and would jarret stoll be of interest?

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Marcus Johansson had tremendous finish for the year. He's still only 22 (23 in October), and has bright future ahead of him... but it probably lies on the left wing.

Caps don't really need it as they have Martin Erat and Brooks Laich who can play LW and Evgeny Kuznetsov who will most likely play LW with Oates philosophy.

Right now, Caps top-6 looks like:
Johansson - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Erat - Laich - Brouwer

The purpose of the trade would be to move Laich back to LW while getting a more offensive-minded 2C:
Erat - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - ??? - Brouwer

I think trading him for another RFA of his level would be the smartest decision.
Options:
Sam Gagner (Caps can't afford his contract demands)
Bryan Little
Cody Hodgsom
Derek Stepan (would probably require a + though)
Adam Henrique

Needs of other teams weren't taken into consideration, so please correct me if you don't need a W-for-C trade.
Just a thought, bit every option you named seems to be on a team lacking centers too though.

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Lol.

It's Marcus Johansson.
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You do realize he isn't talking about Ryan Johansen either, right?
Oh.

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what kinda contract is he looking for and would jarret stoll be of interest?
2-2.5M

I don't think Stoll is a huge improvement over Brooks Laich to be honest.

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2-2.5M

I don't think Stoll is a huge improvement over Brooks Laich to be honest.
well hes one of the best faceoff guys in the league. Very good on pk. I think his offense would go up with the offensive oriented captials ( ok maybe that a strenght but its better then the ubar defensive king) and hes won a cup some valueable experience to teach to your younger players.

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Just a thought, bit every option you named seems to be on a team lacking centers too though.
That's why I asked

Does Elias play C? If so, then I don't see how the Devs are lacking centers.
Could Grigorenko replace Hodgson with Ott/Leino as 2/3C?

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I don't think Johansson in a 1-for-1 swap gets you any of those guys on your list. You'd need to add for all of them, not just Stepan

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That's why I asked

Does Elias play C? If so, then I don't see how the Devs are lacking centers.
Could Grigorenko replace Hodgson with Ott/Leino as 2/3C?
I'm not sure if Grigorenko is ready for top-6 minutes, the plan is for him to be our #3C come October. So he won't be taking Hodgson's minutes, and Ennis is generally regarded as our #2C. Leino doesn't play center, we tried that when he first got here and it was a disaster. Ott will take draws and move back to wing afterwards. Our center depth is lacking, we're looking to add centers rather than subtract...or at least let the core develop into what we're looking for


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well hes one of the best faceoff guys in the league. Very good on pk. I think his offense would go up with the offensive oriented captials ( ok maybe that a strenght but its better then the ubar defensive king) and hes won a cup some valueable experience to teach to your younger players.
His offense won't go up with Laich and Brouwer. We need a guy who would carry that line offensively and feed Brouwer pucks. We don't need defense or tremendous faceoff abilities here.

Added: Caps haven't been offensive-oriented since 2010. That's a stereotype that needs to go.

Looking at other young centers, not RFA, what about Eller? Turris?

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I don't think Johansson in a 1-for-1 swap gets you any of those guys on your list. You'd need to add for all of them, not just Stepan
Yeah, I think with the exception of Little. Others (unlike Stepan) would only require a modest + like one of our zillion D prospects.

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Ugh. Laich doesn't produce any better on the left wing. The decrease in his production has been on the powerplay, not at even strength. We need a 2C, but moving Laich back to LW shouldn't be the motivation. I'm more than happy to stick with Johansson over someone like Gagner or Turris.

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His offense won't go up with Laich and Brouwer. We need a guy who would carry that line offensively and feed Brouwer pucks. We don't need defense or tremendous faceoff abilities here.

Looking at other young centers, not RFA, what about Eller? Turris?
He was playing with king and lewis proberly two of the worst offensive players on the kings trust me it would be alot more.



washington is alot more offensive then the kings is my point


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Better off keeping him.

What did mps go for from the oilers? Mojo is better than him but no hf poster will offer anything close to his value.

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Marcus Johansson had tremendous finish for the year. He's still only 22 (23 in October), and has bright future ahead of him... but it probably lies on the left wing.

Caps don't really need it as they have Martin Erat and Brooks Laich who can play LW and Evgeny Kuznetsov who will most likely play LW with Oates philosophy.

Right now, Caps top-6 looks like:
Johansson - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Erat - Laich - Brouwer

The purpose of the trade would be to move Laich back to LW while getting a more offensive-minded 2C:
Erat - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Laich - ??? - Brouwer

I think trading him for another RFA of his level would be the smartest decision.
Options:
Sam Gagner (Caps can't afford his contract demands)
Bryan Little
Cody Hodgsom
Derek Stepan (would probably require a + though)
Adam Henrique

Needs of other teams weren't taken into consideration, so please correct me if you don't need a W-for-C trade.
Jets can't move Little. He's our #1 and makes the LLW line glue together. Without him our top 2 Cs are 1 foot in the grave Olli Joke and rookie Scheif.

He'll get a good deal out of Chevy 'cause Chevy has no other choice.

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Ugh. Laich doesn't produce any better on the left wing. The decrease in his production has been on the powerplay, not at even strength. We need a 2C, but moving Laich back to LW shouldn't be the motivation. I'm more than happy to stick with Johansson over someone like Gagner.
Well, that's not the motivation. The motivation is to get an offensively competent second line. And Laich to LW with more offensive guy at C is part of the solution I see here.

Laich had his best two years I believe on the wing.

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Jets can't move Little. He's our #1 and makes the LLW line glue together. Without him our top 2 Cs are 1 foot in the grave Olli Joke and rookie Scheif.

He'll get a good deal out of Chevy 'cause Chevy has no other choice.
Understood

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Johanson for Tyler Ennis. Buf has too many centres.
Read my post above...no we don't. I'd much rather have Ennis than Johansson anyway

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