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07-21-2013, 09:47 PM
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Stastny to Edmonton

Tomorrow is Gagners arbitration hearing and if he is awarded to much and hypothetically the Oilers trade him for a defenceman or winger. What would the cost be to get Stasny from Colorado. I know Colorado needs Dmen and Stasny is overpaid.

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N.Schultz

Edmonton gets a stop gap #2C that's a UFA in a year and Colorado gets a 2nd pairing Dman that's a UFA in a year.

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Not a chance from Colorado.

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07-21-2013, 09:50 PM
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Tomorrow is Gagners arbitration hearing and if he is awarded to much and hypothetically the Oilers trade him for a defenceman or winger. What would the cost be to get Stasny from Colorado. I know Colorado needs Dmen and Stasny is overpaid.

To Edmonton
Stasny

To Colorado
N.Schultz

Edmonton gets a stop gap #2C that's a UFA in a year and Colorado gets a 2nd pairing Dman that's a UFA in a year.
Probably should not make a proposal about a player you do not know much about...
It is spelled StasTny.
And you probably mixed up the Schultzes as well.
Because there is no way you are getting Stastny for that.
None....

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07-21-2013, 09:51 PM
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These two teams are never going to trade with each other over the next decade or more. I have a feeling there is going to be an intense rivalry between Colorado and Edmonton starting soon.

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What...no.

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i guess you haven't been following the stastny to toronto threads...only an over payment will get you stastny

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i guess you haven't been following the stastny to toronto threads...only an over payment will get you stastny
Yeah cause Nick Schultz for Paul Stastny is fair value.....

Sgarbossa for Kadri anyone??

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Tomorrow is Gagners arbitration hearing and if he is awarded to much and hypothetically the Oilers trade him for a defenceman or winger.
Can you trade a player after accepting an arbitration award?

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I figured since Colorado is loaded at center, StasTny would be the logical choice to be moved. Since he's overpaid by 2-3 million I figured his value would be low. I didn't realize that he was untouchable...

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These two teams are never going to trade with each other over the next decade or more. I have a feeling there is going to be an intense rivalry between Colorado and Edmonton starting soon.
Perfect, a new rivalry for the Oilers! Especially with the quality of prospects in each organization, these two will be competing for the western conference banner within a few years.

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I figured since Colorado is loaded at center, StasTny would be the logical choice to be moved. Since he's overpaid by 2-3 million I figured his value would be low. I didn't realize that he was untouchable...
Stastny wouldn't get less than $5.5 on the open market. Not sure why you think he's overpaid by $2-3 million.

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The Avs best time to trade Paul Statsny is the deadline. They may or not be in the thick of the playoff race, but right now Statsny has high value to Colorado because he gives the Avs a better chance to win and provides quality depth until Mac proves he can produce at the NHL level.

Unless the Avs are receiving a first line D who can play beside Johnson they most likely seen dealing.

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I figured since Colorado is loaded at center, StasTny would be the logical choice to be moved. Since he's overpaid by 2-3 million I figured his value would be low. I didn't realize that he was untouchable...
He certainly is not untouchable.
But Nick Schultz?
Seriously?

Stastny will re-sign or he will garner a 1st + so-so prospect at the deadline. That is all. Unless someone wants to offer us a #2 Dman for him.
Nick Schultz???

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Yeah cause Nick Schultz for Paul Stastny is fair value.....

Sgarbossa for Kadri anyone??
Joem, the proposed trade isn't balanced, but I would entertain the players involved if Edmonton added to it. Nick Schultz is a good defensive defenseman, and (IMO) is precisely the type of player Colorado needs on its blueline. I also wouldn't do the trade exactly as proposed, but if Edmonton added a prospect or good pick or something, I'd at least discuss it.

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So if Ganger gets 5.5 why would you want to go out and get someone that costs even more?

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He certainly is not untouchable.
But Nick Schultz?
Seriously?

Stastny will re-sign or he will garner a 1st + so-so prospect at the deadline. That is all. Unless someone wants to offer us a #2 Dman for him.
Nick Schultz???
He's a very solid 2nd pairing defensive defenseman. Trade cost aside, I'd take him on Colorado's blueline in a heartbeat.

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Joem, the proposed trade isn't balanced, but I would entertain the players involved if Edmonton added to it. Nick Schultz is a good defensive defenseman, and (IMO) is precisely the type of player Colorado needs on its blueline. I also wouldn't do the trade exactly as proposed, but if Edmonton added a prospect or good pick or something, I'd at least discuss it.
Yeah. I disagree with you ABasin. We might need another quality dman.
But if he is not out rhere he is not out there.
I would hate if we settle for a Nick Schultz+.
Exactly what we should not do. He is a borderline 2nd pairing guy. A #4.
We are not making the playoffs this year barring a small miracle.
And I am perfectly fine with it. No need to desperately "fix" our D by overpaying for so-so- players....

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Only would have interest in Smid tbh. Rather keep Stastny otherwise.

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Yeah. I disagree with you ABasin. We might need another quality dman.
But if he is not out rhere he is not out there.
I would hate if we settle for a Nick Schultz+.
Exactly what we should not do. He is a borderline 2nd pairing guy. A #4.
We are not making the playoffs this year barring a small miracle.
And I am perfectly fine with it. No need to desperately "fix" our D by overpaying for so-so- players....
My friend, I'm not advocating adopting so-so players. We've had more than our share of them on our blueline for too many years - Clark, O'Brien, Hunwick, Zanon, etc.

But Schultz is a good unsung defensive defenseman, and has been for a number of years. He got lots of minutes as a young player, playing for the most demanding defensive coach in modern history (Lemaire), and would be a fine addition to Colorado's blueline. He'd walk onto the team and day 1 be the best defender out there, minus perhaps EJ. He's a good hockey player, albeit a kind of boring one.

Now, is he worth swapping Stastny for? Well, perhaps not. But I'd certainly entertain the discussion.

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So if Ganger gets 5.5 why would you want to go out and get someone that costs even more?
Gagner gets traded preferably for a defenceman that's capable of playing on the top pairing. Stastny would be a 1 year stop gap. If he fits in and signs a cheaper contract then great, if not then the cost would be Nick Schultz.

It seems a + should be added to this deal. What should the + be?

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Tomorrow is Gagners arbitration hearing and if he is awarded to much and hypothetically the Oilers trade him for a defenceman or winger. What would the cost be to get Stasny from Colorado. I know Colorado needs Dmen and Stasny is overpaid.

To Edmonton
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To Colorado
N.Schultz

Edmonton gets a stop gap #2C that's a UFA in a year and Colorado gets a 2nd pairing Dman that's a UFA in a year.
I'd rather get picks and prospects than N Schultz.

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My friend, I'm not advocating adopting so-so players. We've had more than our share of them on our blueline for too many years - Clark, O'Brien, Hunwick, Zanon, etc.

But Schultz is a good unsung defensive defenseman, and has been for a number of years. He got lots of minutes as a young player, playing for the most demanding defensive coach in modern history (Lemaire), and would be a fine addition to Colorado's blueline. He'd walk onto the team and day 1 be the best defender out there, minus perhaps EJ. He's a good hockey player, albeit a kind of boring one.

Now, is he worth swapping Stastny for? Well, perhaps not. But I'd certainly entertain the discussion.
Well agree to disagree. I rate him (at best) very close to our own Hejda. And I would not deal Stastny for another Hejda. Not with Jan being safely entrenched as the 2nd pairing shutdown Dman.
Nick on our top pairing next to EJ?
Rather try Wilson. He has at least some kind of upside. Maybe Barrie can make the switch.
So we trade Stastny for a third pairing shutdown D (or for Hejda to get bumped down to the third pairing?)
Big time pass...

Siemens should take that spot a year from now anyways.

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Only would have interest in Smid tbh. Rather keep Stastny otherwise.
For one meaningless year?

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For one meaningless year?
So we're not allowed to re-sign Stastny instead of moving him for spare parts? Smid improves our team, Schultz does not.

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For one meaningless year?
Priority is re-signing him to a slightly cheaper deal.
And if that fails we should get a 1st + prospect out of him at the deadline

Do you really think that Schultz is worth the same as a rental Stastny (+ implied odds of him re-signing)?

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