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07-21-2013, 09:21 PM
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Better change that N to a J, actually on second thought no one on the Oilers really is appealing....meh

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Looks like a Lakai trade proposal here. Roy and the gang would be out of their minds to accept this offer.

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Tomorrow is Gagners arbitration hearing and if he is awarded to much and hypothetically the Oilers trade him for a defenceman or winger. What would the cost be to get Stasny from Colorado. I know Colorado needs Dmen and Stasny is overpaid.

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Edmonton gets a stop gap #2C that's a UFA in a year and Colorado gets a 2nd pairing Dman that's a UFA in a year.


Colorado gets shafted

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07-21-2013, 09:25 PM
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Well agree to disagree. I rate him (at best) very close to our own Hejda.
Not a terrible comparison (though they do play differently) - both are solid 2nd pairing guys, though Schultz is 5 years younger. Hejda is going to start regressing due to age, and I suspect within a year or two, you're going to not be happy with the comparison.

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Rather try Wilson.
Schultz is certainly superior to Wilson defensively.

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So we trade Stastny for a third pairing shutdown D (or for Hejda to get bumped down to the third pairing?)
Well, Schultz is a 2nd pairing shutdown D not 3rd pairing, but even so, what's so bad about that? Especially if that trade gets the Avs a decent pick also?

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07-21-2013, 09:26 PM
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...so the Oilers will accept the arbitration just to trade Gagner?...and a team is willing to trade for that arbitration award?...and if they walk away from the arbitration decision, are the Oilers willing to overpay to fill that void?

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07-21-2013, 09:26 PM
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So we're not allowed to re-sign Stastny instead of moving him for spare parts? Smid improves our team, Schultz does not.
Either of those guys improves the team.

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07-21-2013, 09:29 PM
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Gagner gets traded preferably for a defenceman that's capable of playing on the top pairing.
HAHAHAHA

Gagner 24 hours away from a 1 year contract and UFA is NOT worth that.... ABYSMAL.

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If he fits in and signs a cheaper contract then great, if not then the cost would be Nick Schultz.
Yes a HUGE loss for the Oilers

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It seems a + should be added to this deal. What should the + be?
Everyone was pretty clear already... J. Schultz

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Well, Schultz is a 2nd pairing shutdown D not 3rd pairing
HAHAHAHA #2... N. Schultz on one of the worst defenses in the NHL was NOT a second pairing player even on his best night last season... or the one before that... try again

Seriously guys... this is terrible... deserves an apology to Avs fans...

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For one meaningless year?
We still need to see how moving one to wing will work out. If it works, fantastic. Sign em both to extensions. If it doesn't, well need to trade one, but we shouldn't trade either until we have an idea what kind of contract they'll demand. If stastny wants $5m and oreilly thinks he's worth duchene+ kind of money, oreilly will be the one gone.

In other words, no need to trade ever now, especially not for nick Schultz.

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07-21-2013, 09:33 PM
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Not a terrible comparison (though they do play differently) - both are solid 2nd pairing guys, though Schultz is 5 years younger. Hejda is going to start regressing due to age, and I suspect within a year or two, you're going to not be happy with the comparison.



Schultz is certainly superior to Wilson defensively.



Well, Schultz is a 2nd pairing shutdown D not 3rd pairing, but even so, what's so bad about that? Especially if that trade gets the Avs a decent pick also?
Cause we are dumping our best trade asset a 27 year former old #1 center who is a great all around player for a marginal upgrade without giving him the chance to rebound under another coach.

Odds are that Stastny won't get back to what he was.
Still a very putrid trade. Schultz will not be better than Hejda next year. We have a crapload of young Ds on the way.
Why trade for Schultz?
Just to increase our win total by 1 or 2 because of a better 3rd pairing? And in turn lose 2 or 3 wins cause of lost forward depth?
I simply don't get that approach. We are not contending and we certainly should not expect a playoff team next year anyways.
So why bother with Schultz?

And I was pretty optimistic with my evaluation of him (as can be seen by other responses in here)

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So we're not allowed to re-sign Stastny instead of moving him for spare parts? Smid improves our team, Schultz does not.
I agree that N. Schultz for Statsny might be a bit premature as I think that's a starting point for a TDL trade, but there's a reality that you're gonna have to face:

1) Statsny may not want to re-sign with a rebuilding team.
2) Your trade leverage decreases as time goes by (Just like Luongo, you'll get highest value now as opposed to a rental trade later)
3) Statsny's point production has been dismal to say the least for his cap hit.

So you have an upcoming UFA who has a $6.5M cap hit that scored 24*/53/57 points in the last 3 seasons in a market where teams are scrambling to rid themselves of those contracts.

If I was a GM, I would treat Statsny as a hot potato and jettison him to any poor schmuck who would take him. I would actually think getting a roster player like N. Schultz would be a huge success. He's Colorado's Hemsky.

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07-21-2013, 09:34 PM
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Either of those guys improves the team.
I'm not sure you've seen Nick Schultz play lately. That or you've gone off the deep end with your attempt to be as unbiased as possible.

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I agree that N. Schultz for Statsny might be a bit premature as I think that's a starting point for a TDL trade, but there's a reality that you're gonna have to face:

1) Statsny may not want to re-sign with a rebuilding team.
2) Your trade leverage decreases as time goes by (Just like Luongo, you'll get highest value now as opposed to a rental trade later)
3) Statsny's point production has been dismal to say the least for his cap hit.

So you have an upcoming UFA who has a $6.5M cap hit that scored 24*/53/57 points in the last 3 seasons in a market where teams are scrambling to rid themselves of those contracts.

If I was a GM, I would treat Statsny as a hot potato and jettison him to any poor schmuck who would take him. I would actually think getting a roster player like N. Schultz would be a huge success. He's Colorado's Hemsky.
I don't understand why fans of other teams are so obsessed with helping rid Colorado of Stastny. You should be happy we want to keep him and even re-sign him at a salary of 5.5-6mil if you consider him so terrible. It's as if other team's fans think they know better than the fans that watch him every single game.

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I'm not an expert on Colorados D situation but Nick Schultz would be the second best Dman on the team. Not as good as EJ but better then Hejda. Is Stastny better then Duchene, ROR or Mackinnon? 6.5 mil is a lot to pay for the 4th best center on your depth chart. Maybe some think N Shultz is an under pay but how many teams have the cap space to take on Stastnys contract? The only way Stastny is getting a first at the deadline is if he returns to the player he was at the start of his career. If he's playing on the 3rd line he's going to have another low scoring year. On Edmonton he'd be the 2nd best C on the team and would get prime minutes with elite wingers.
Guys, seriously... just stop. Stick with the "not an expert" line.

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07-21-2013, 09:35 PM
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I agree that N. Schultz for Statsny might be a bit premature as I think that's a starting point for a TDL trade, but there's a reality that you're gonna have to face:

1) Statsny may not want to re-sign with a rebuilding team.
2) Your trade leverage decreases as time goes by (Just like Luongo, you'll get highest value now as opposed to a rental trade later)
3) Statsny's point production has been dismal to say the least for his cap hit.

So you have an upcoming UFA who has a $6.5M cap hit that scored 24*/53/57 points in the last 3 seasons in a market where teams are scrambling to rid themselves of those contracts.

If I was a GM, I would treat Statsny as a hot potato and jettison him to any poor schmuck who would take him. I would actually think getting a roster player like N. Schultz would be a huge success. He's Colorado's Hemsky.
Just...

If Stastny has negative value... Gagner would need to be moved with a 1st to get anything of worth...

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I'm not an expert on Colorados D situation but Nick Schultz would be the second best Dman on the team. Not as good as EJ but better then Hejda. Is Stastny better then Duchene, ROR or Mackinnon? 6.5 mil is a lot to pay for the 4th best center on your depth chart. Maybe some think N Shultz is an under pay but how many teams have the cap space to take on Stastnys contract? The only way Stastny is getting a first at the deadline is if he returns to the player he was at the start of his career. If he's playing on the 3rd line he's going to have another low scoring year. On Edmonton he'd be the 2nd best C on the team and would get prime minutes with elite wingers.

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I agree that N. Schultz for Statsny might be a bit premature as I think that's a starting point for a TDL trade, but there's a reality that you're gonna have to face:

1) Statsny may not want to re-sign with a rebuilding team.
2) Your trade leverage decreases as time goes by (Just like Luongo, you'll get highest value now as opposed to a rental trade later)
3) Statsny's point production has been dismal to say the least for his cap hit.

So you have an upcoming UFA who has a $6.5M cap hit that scored 24*/53/57 points in the last 3 seasons in a market where teams are scrambling to rid themselves of those contracts.

If I was a GM, I would treat Statsny as a hot potato and jettison him to any poor schmuck who would take him. I would actually think getting a roster player like N. Schultz would be a huge success. He's Colorado's Hemsky.
Take a look at the price of rentals each year.
Stastny certainly would be in the 1st+prospect bracket.

So yeah... We should clearly just take N.Schultz and shut it...

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I'm not an expert on Colorados D situation
Probably should have stopped there...

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Just...

If Stastny has negative value... Gagner would need to be moved with a 1st to get anything of worth...
He's not in Luongo territory just yet. But name me one team who would have no problem using $6.6M of their cap this year on a player who might score 40-50 points and tell me what they would give up.

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Take a look at the price of rentals each year.
Stastny certainly would be in the 1st+prospect bracket.

So yeah... We should clearly just take N.Schultz and shut it...
Jarome Iginla, perennial 40 goal scorer got a 1st and a prospect.

Statsny couldn't hold Jarome's jock strap and you think he'll get a 1st and a prospect?

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I'm not sure you've seen Nick Schultz play lately. That or you've gone off the deep end with your attempt to be as unbiased as possible.
Not sure what that last part means.

But I watched a fair number of Edmonton games last season, and if there's a team whose forwards played worse defense than Colorado's, this is the team. I admit I may be basing my Schultz value as much on his Minnesota play as his Edmonton play, but this isn't a sh***y hockey player.

And again, I'm not advocating the trade as proposed - I feel Stastny is worth more in a swap than just Schultz. i'm just saying it's worth discussion.

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He's not in Luongo territory just yet. But name me one team who would have no problem using $6.6M of their cap this year on a player who might score 40-50 points and tell me what they would give up.
You are not familiar with the concept of rentals traded at the deadline, are you???

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He's not in Luongo territory just yet. But name me one team who would have no problem using $6.6M of their cap this year on a player who might score 40-50 points and tell me what they would give up.
Colorado. Nothing, because we already have him on our team!

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He's not in Luongo territory just yet.
And never will be SINCE HE IS A UFA AT YEAR'S END... like... just because they both make $5M plus and played in the NW does not make them the same in any way shape or form... if you cannot understand why a productive player off the books in one year and a goalie with a life time contract do not have equivalent value... I would say get off of NHL 13...

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But name me one team who would have no problem using $6.6M of their cap this year on a player who might score 40-50 points and tell me what they would give up.
WPG OTT NYI FLA BUF NJ CGY TOR and STL could all do it if they were in the hunt for a spot by deadline time... so... if by no value to anyone you mean value to a third of the NHL......

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I admit I may be basing my Schultz value as much on his Minnesota play as his Edmonton play, but this isn't a sh***y hockey player.
-13 -12 -4 -8 -4... yes yes he is...

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The answer to fixing the avs defense is not from the oilers.

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-13 -12 -4 -8 -4... yes yes he is...
+/-? Seriously?

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And never will be SINCE HE IS A UFA AT YEAR'S END... like... just because they both make $5M plus and played in the NW does not make them the same in any way shape or form... if you cannot understand why a productive player off the books in one year and a goalie with a life time contract do not have equivalent value... I would say get off of NHL 13...



WPG OTT NYI FLA BUF NJ CGY TOR and STL could all do it if they were in the hunt for a spot by deadline time... so... if by no value to anyone you mean value to a third of the NHL......
Not buying it. Half those teams won't even be in playoff contention and those that are won't see any value in a mediocre center signed to a ludicrous contract.

And the point about Luongo was that Gillis had a deadline to trade him and waited way too long which saw his value fall as the year wore on. Same crap with Statsny, who definitely will NOT be in the middle of a bidding war.

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