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07-22-2013, 01:46 AM
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Stop with the childish insults, or else you will be removed from the discussion.

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Could something around Strome and Murray work? Add as needed. I'd like some opinions from both teams.
Value is good, but we've got plenty of D prospects as it is now. Strome is near NHL ready, may as well stick with him and see what he's really got.

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Kesler for Johansen + Murray?

I know I don't really like it as a Canucks fan...and I assume a lot of people aren't going to like it from CBJ too.

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Kesler for Johansen + Murray?

I know I don't really like it as a Canucks fan...and I assume a lot of people aren't going to like it from CBJ too.
I doubt Umberger would like it.

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Could something around Strome and Murray work? Add as needed. I'd like some opinions from both teams.
I would definitely do this deal.

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07-22-2013, 08:04 AM
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That is cute... is this like that poster who keeps saying Eberle for Johansen... just because they are picked in the top ten does not mean their value stays there even a year out... I mean as a Jackets fan I would think you would know that... or did Klesla Leclaire Zherdev Picard Brule and Filatov not burn that into your brains enough...
So edmonton gets to fill their holes but you don't address the jackets needs for offense. It is a bad proposal. Your snarky response doesnt change that and isn't needed.

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07-22-2013, 08:22 AM
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Gagner + Klefbom + 3rd for Murray + Umberger???
No thanks; at best it's a lateral move, and the need to maintain an effective team dynamic militates that we not make trades for the sake of making trades. I do like Klefbom (what little I've seen and heard, anyways), but that doesn't make this deal a good idea for Columbus.

We'd probably insist on one of the Big Four. That isn't fair value for Edmonton at all, but, well, we have no reason to trade him, and so we'd prefer to be obstructionist jerks about it. This should be a familiar concept.

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They have a great core. They gave up Methot, who was great for the Sens, and didn't miss a beat.

They still need Murray though. Guys get hurt, regress, and age.

Depth is a necessity for a playoff team, and it's not like it's going to hurt his development to start in the WHL/AHL.
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Also Methot would be our best defenseman? I laugh.
Someone seriously said that? I don't see that post, but evidently some editing has occurred.

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So edmonton gets to fill their holes but you don't address the jackets needs for offense. It is a bad proposal. Your snarky response doesnt change that and isn't needed.
To be fair, including Gagner is at least an attempt to do so. Reasonable people could fairly disagree on whether or not he constitutes an upgrade at C. My contention is that he's not a compelling enough upgrade to be worth all these package trades that involve Johansen, Murray, Jenner, or any other one of our top prospects.

The problem is that Edmonton needs a bruiser at LW, and keeps trying to solve that problem at the same time, when that's not something we really need to move or particularly want to move.

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They wouldn't trade him.

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07-22-2013, 08:45 AM
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With how good Columbus has been last year and a d core of:
Wisniewski, Tyutin, Johnson, Nikitin, Erixon, Savard and Prout what are the chances of Murray making the team and with all the depth on D where is Columbus weak and what would columbus' asking price be for Murray (Obviously I get it he wont be traded before playing for the jackets, just looking for where his value is)
I think the chances are pretty good Murray makes the team assuming he is healthy. It would be tough to move out a defenseman but a player with Murray's upside has to be given every opportunity to succeed.

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considering Islanders offered all their picks for him I'd think they'd still have interest

something around Strome for Murray?

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considering Islanders offered all their picks for him I'd think they'd still have interest

something around Strome for Murray?
Personally I'd pass although its not a bad offer. Mostly because I'm convinced Columbus will be alright down the middle. Need a potential d-man anchor a bit more.

I'm big on Anisimov and Johansen is going to only get better. Not to mention Boone Jenner.

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To be fair, including Gagner is at least an attempt to do so. Reasonable people could fairly disagree on whether or not he constitutes an upgrade at C. My contention is that he's not a compelling enough upgrade to be worth all these package trades that involve Johansen, Murray, Jenner, or any other one of our top prospects.

The problem is that Edmonton needs a bruiser at LW, and keeps trying to solve that problem at the same time, when that's not something we really need to move or particularly want to move.
I disagree. Gagne has never broken 50 pts. Never broke 20 goals. He has some solid wingers but hasnt earned playing time with them. He is a secons line center that is not strong in his own zone. Everyone expects him to break out and he may yet..... but I don't think so. His value is only that of a small second line center.

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three EDM/CBJ threads on first page, all three are easy NOs for me...as pointed out, you want Murray, you're giving us one of the big four...we have no reason to trade Murray, so I'm on board with being stingy about what our desired return is....

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as pointed out, you want Murray, you're giving us one of the big four...we have no reason to trade Murray, so I'm on board with being stingy about what our desired return is....
This. CBJ has no need and probably no desire to trade Murray. Trade offers for him attempting to cast him as redundant or undervalued because of his injury will and should be met with derision and contempt.

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I disagree. Gagne has never broken 50 pts. Never broke 20 goals. He has some solid wingers but hasnt earned playing time with them. He is a secons line center that is not strong in his own zone. Everyone expects him to break out and he may yet..... but I don't think so. His value is only that of a small second line center.
His scoring rate this past year would ostensibly make up for that.

I'm not saying I agree with the evaluation myself. I can just see where it comes from, and it makes a certain degree of sense. I just don't want to deal with the unknowns inherent in evaluating based on partial-season extrapolation. (We have enough of those with Bob. )

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Would Calgary have to add to Sven for Murray?

Not saying i would do it, just curious about Value.

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Would Calgary have to add to Sven for Murray?

Not saying i would do it, just curious about Value.
Probably, yes. Although it wouldn't be much, and he's a lot more attractive than some of the other players that folks have suggested so far simply by being a talented LW.

Sven was someone we were strongly considering picking up in that draft before we traded the pick.

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Would Calgary have to add to Sven for Murray?

Not saying i would do it, just curious about Value.
I would say that a substantial addition would need to be made (from a poster who is not a fan of either team). I would rather have Murray on my team than Bartschi+Jankowski+1st at this point. Nothing against Sven, I just see Murray as a top pairing dman which is so valuable in this league.

Monahan for Murray is fair value IMO.

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That's pretty solid. Don't know if I could pull the trigger, but at least its fair.
Gagner and Klefbom are garbage but Strome is a deal starter?


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Gagner and Klefbom are garbage but Strome is a deal starter?

Player value is not a constant and is not additive. "1 + 1 = 2" is a paradigm that does not necessarily apply.

Or would you accept Umberger and a 1st for Hall? Didn't think so.

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Gagner and Klefbom are garbage but Strome is a deal starter?


I guess people who were asking to take into consideration the Jackets needs were wasting their time.

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Didn't the Islanders, who had 4th overall pick that year offer EVERY draft pick in 2012 for the number one pick so they could take him? Columbus said no. That would set the value at a pretty ridiculous level I would think.

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Didn't the Islanders, who had 4th overall pick that year offer EVERY draft pick in 2012 for the number one pick so they could take him? Columbus said no. That would set the value at a pretty ridiculous level I would think.
Edmonton fans think that they know hockey better than the Oilers GM assistant and another NHL GM.
That was #2 overall pick though.

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I would say that a substantial addition would need to be made (from a poster who is not a fan of either team). I would rather have Murray on my team than Bartschi+Jankowski+1st at this point. Nothing against Sven, I just see Murray as a top pairing dman which is so valuable in this league.

Monahan for Murray is fair value IMO.
I dont think you know much about Beartschi.

Adding Jankowski and a 1st... for Murray? No thanks. That 1st this year would have been Monahan, and next year is likely to be Ekblad/Reinhart.

For that package i would want Hall or Mackinnon.

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