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National team coaches

Here's a question:

In many Olympic sports, even team ones, it's common to bring in a coach from another country especially when they are more qualified and experienced and have coached winning athletes in their respective disciplines.

However, I personally don't recall a hockey team EVER doing this. Coaching staff seems to ALWAYS be from the country of origin for the national team. Why is this done?

I'm asking because it feels like for certain teams (Switzerland or Czech or Finnish come to mind) I would think that a lot of these teams have good pieces and all it might take to elevate them to the next level is the right coaching staff, comprised from different nationalities (AKA NHL style.)

Is there a rule I am unaware of in ice hockey that would explain this procedure, or is it just rooted in tradition and expectations?

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Austria, Latvia, and Switzerland each have Canadian head coaches, with Emanuel Viveiros, Ted Nolan, and Sean Simpson respectively.

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Austria, Latvia, and Switzerland each have Canadian head coaches, with Emanuel Viveiros, Ted Nolan, and Sean Simpson respectively.
Welp, good thing you're a mod too. Thanks for answering my question. Thread can be succinctly closed.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland...f_head_coaches

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Slovaks have a czech coach and he's been great for us.

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Here's a question:

In many Olympic sports, even team ones, it's common to bring in a coach from another country especially when they are more qualified and experienced and have coached winning athletes in their respective disciplines.

However, I personally don't recall a hockey team EVER doing this. Coaching staff seems to ALWAYS be from the country of origin for the national team. Why is this done?

I'm asking because it feels like for certain teams (Switzerland or Czech or Finnish come to mind) I would think that a lot of these teams have good pieces and all it might take to elevate them to the next level is the right coaching staff, comprised from different nationalities (AKA NHL style.)

Is there a rule I am unaware of in ice hockey that would explain this procedure, or is it just rooted in tradition and expectations?
Doug Shedden was Finnish head coach for 1 year (1 year contract)
Curt Lindstöm was Finnish head coach for several years in the 90's

I'd actually argue that coaches in Finland are better than foreign choices, the level of tactical discussion about hockey here is imo further developed than for example in the NHL.

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Ralph Krueger who's from Winnipeg coached the Swiss team for years.

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The head coach of Germany is Canadian and the head coach of Estonia is Lithuanian. I also think that the UAE had a Finnish head coach at some point.

There are numerous cases.

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Austria, Latvia, and Switzerland each have Canadian head coaches, with Emanuel Viveiros, Ted Nolan, and Sean Simpson respectively.
Viveiros and Simpson have actually long history in the countries they coach now.

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Austria, Latvia, and Switzerland each have Canadian head coaches, with Emanuel Viveiros, Ted Nolan, and Sean Simpson respectively.
I remember some Ovi fan boy suggesting Boudreau for coach of the Russian Team (when it was all roses with BB and they blamed the loss on Bykov).

While BB [at the height of his relationship with Ovi] would have been a terrific choice, the Russians are way too proud to have a non-Russia coach, ESPECIALLY a Canadian lol, coach their team.

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Better to list the countires that have not had a foreign coach:
Canada
USSR/Russia
Czech Republic

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Swedish national team has been headcoached by Ed Reigle from 1957-60 and Billy Harris 1971/72

Assistant coaches: Barry Smith 1996 WC and Olympics 1998, Des Moroney 1971

Sweden has a long tradition of well-educated coaches and trainers. It's actually strange some of them never got hired by NHL teams. The best and those considered pioneers for tactics/pedagogics were active when NHL still only hired NA-coaches.

That we today find ex-players behind the bench as assistants (Ulfie and C Johansson) is a bit strange since they hardly are really coaches.

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I'm asking because it feels like for certain teams (Switzerland or Czech or Finnish come to mind) I would think that a lot of these teams have good pieces and all it might take to elevate them to the next level is the right coaching staff, comprised from different nationalities (AKA NHL style.)
Different nationalities aka Americans and Canadians (read: not much cultural differences). European born assistant coaches are very rare not to mention head coaches which can be counted (modern times) with one finger.

I don't understand why did you bring up Finland as a example... we have lots of pieces missing but coaching is typically definitely not one of the missing pieces.

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Doug Shedden was Finnish head coach for 1 year (1 year contract)
What an atrocious choice it was and most likely was not made on coaching merits only...

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Herb Brooks coached France.

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