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Curious Q: Has a goalie ever come off the bench in O.T. ONLY for the shootout?

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07-05-2014, 08:30 PM
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Curious Q: Has a goalie ever come off the bench in O.T. ONLY for the shootout?

I just saw Netherlands substitute its goalkeeper less than a minute before time ended to begin the penalty kicks and I wondered: Has this ever happened in hockey?

Specifically, has it happened in the NHL? (though any major international tourney would be of interest as well).

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I just saw Netherlands substitute its goalkeeper less than a minute before time ended to begin the penalty kicks and I wondered: Has this ever happened in hockey?

Specifically, has it happened in the NHL? (though any major international tourney would be of interest as well).
Yup. I remember the Thrashers subbed Hedberg out for Lehtonen once. Here's the thread on it:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/ar.../t-305198.html


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Yup. I remember the Thrashers subbed Hedberg in for Lehtonen once. Here's the thread on it:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/ar.../t-305198.html
Thanks! It'll be something for the water cooler talk on Monday. It worked for Netherlands in soccer's World Cup but it didn't in hockey! (Interesting how it was justified at the time with a baseball metaphor: going to the bullpen for a closer.)

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Oilers did it first year of the shootout (2006).

Pulled Ty Conklin (who was awful in shootouts) for Mike Morrison (who was good). Still lost.

I remember Conklin throwing a fit on the bench after being pulled, too, which made me start to really dislike him... If you want to play, maybe stop a puck once in awhile?

That dislike blossomed to hate when his colossal ****-up later cost the Oilers Game 1 of the SCF.

Still to this day one of my most detested players

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i beleive the leaf did it with joseph during his second stint with the leafs

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Thanks! It'll be something for the water cooler talk on Monday. It worked for Netherlands in soccer's World Cup but it didn't in hockey! (Interesting how it was justified at the time with a baseball metaphor: going to the bullpen for a closer.)
Go on hf to kill time before watching the soccer game, they said. No one talks about soccer on hf, they said.


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i beleive the leaf did it with joseph during his second stint with the leafs
there was a second cujo stints with the leafs? man i totally do not remember that. but i suspect it was ugly?

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Harding for Backstrom in 2010 or so.

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there was a second cujo stints with the leafs? man i totally do not remember that. but i suspect it was ugly?
Only if you consider an .869 save percentage and 3.57 GAA in 21 GP ugly.

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http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin....cgi?H20050315

This may have been the first instance. Sabre goaltender Mika Noronen is injured and is pulled at the end of overtime for Martin Biron. He promptly goes out and loses the shootout. November of 2005.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=253404

This article states some cases which were stated by others in this thread. I do remember when CUJO was put in and Wilson talked about "law of averages."

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It's been tried but always fails. Putting a cold goalie in a situation where they need to use all their abilities and flexibility is a bad idea. It's so bad that you only hope your goalie gets scored on instead of pulling a muscle.

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I may be way off here, but didn't New Jersey do this at one point a few years back, not caring if they lost? I want to say it was the last game of the year possibly against the Isles?

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For some reason I remember Steve Valiquette doing it once?

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For the game yesterday, I think the Netherlands coach did it for psychological reasons, no? Because I heard Krul let in all 5 penalties he faced in the Premier League this season with Newcastle? The Costa Rican players probably didn't even know who he was and thought he was a penalty kick fanthom a la Francesco Toldo or something. . .

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For the game yesterday, I think the Netherlands coach did it for psychological reasons, no? Because I heard Krul let in all 5 penalties he faced in the Premier League this season with Newcastle? The Costa Rican players probably didn't even know who he was and thought he was a penalty kick fanthom a la Francesco Toldo or something. . .
Cillessen has never saved a penalty kick in his professional career I hear?

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In KHL was this regular with CSKA Moscow, when Rastilav Stana played there. Everytime the game should go to shootouts, he was benched.

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For the game yesterday, I think the Netherlands coach did it for psychological reasons, no? Because I heard Krul let in all 5 penalties he faced in the Premier League this season with Newcastle? The Costa Rican players probably didn't even know who he was and thought he was a penalty kick fanthom a la Francesco Toldo or something. . .
I think it is a known thing on that team. Cillessen focuses on the game and Krul on the penalties at the end, analyzing and preparing for who he might face. He saved two, but also guessed correctly on the other three, so 5 for 5 in that regard...pretty remarkable.

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I may be way off here, but didn't New Jersey do this at one point a few years back, not caring if they lost? I want to say it was the last game of the year possibly against the Isles?
Not quite. The Devils were playing the Isles on the last game of the year. It was 2007 and the Leafs just needed an Islander loss, even in the shootout, to get into the playoffs. The Devils who had already clinched the postseason went with Scott Clemmensen the whole game instead of Brodeur who won the Vezina and was a Hart finalist. Possibly his finest season. The Devils ended up losing in a shootout. As usual, the Leafs had no one to blame but themselves.

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I think it is a known thing on that team. Cillessen focuses on the game and Krul on the penalties...
Not for Cillessen.

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We told Krul that he would be a possibility for the penalties, we didnít tell Cillessen as we didnít want to ruin his preparation.

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In the 1986-87 AHL season, Rochester and Binghamton played on the final day of the season to decide the winner of the South Division. The game went to a shootout and John Van Boxmeer pulled Darcy Wakaluk and put Daren Puppa in. Puppa stopped all 4 shots to win the division for the Amerks.



Skip to 4:22 for footage of the game.

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I believe that this is the complete NHL list (it's from my database):

11/22/2005, Biron replaces Noronen (0-for-2 in shootout)
03/07/2006, Morrison replaces Conklin (0-for-2 in shootout)
10/26/2006, Lehtonen replaces Hedberg (1-for-3 in shootout)
10/21/2008, Joseph replaces Toskala (0-for-2 in shootout)

So that's four losses in four tries, stopping one of nine shots.

Honorable mention - on 12/2/2009, Craig Anderson left the Avalanche game against Florida with a head injury after being crashed into by Keith Ballard (who tried to decapitate his own goaltender two nights earlier). Peter Budaj played the last 42 seconds of overtime and then the shootout, stopping 4 of 5 attempts. Per the theme of the thread, the Avs still lost.

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What makes it more amazing in soccer is that you only have three subs! Van Gaal looks like a genius in holding on to that last sub until the very end. And Krul's performance was indeed phenomenal: he did guess right on all five shots.

Funny how this never seems to work in hockey.

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And Krul's performance was indeed phenomenal: he did guess right on all five shots.

Funny how this never seems to work in hockey.
I don't think it would work again for van Gaal either. More coincidence than anything, let alone genius.

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Oilers did it first year of the shootout (2006).

Pulled Ty Conklin (who was awful in shootouts) for Mike Morrison (who was good). Still lost.

I remember Conklin throwing a fit on the bench after being pulled, too, which made me start to really dislike him... If you want to play, maybe stop a puck once in awhile?
I remember that too. At the time I thought Conklin was justifiably upset that he was yanked. After all he'd kept them in the game long enough to get to the shootout. Up to that point Conklin had only ever played in one NHL shootout which, yes, he didn't win. Morrison had played in six shootouts, winning his first five. At the time Morrison might have been seen as a "shootout specialist" by virtue of playing in many of them that first year and winning five of six, but it was unfair to characterize Conklin as a sieve in the shootout given that up until that point he'd only ever played in one. Pretty small sample size.

To top it off Mike Morrison lost that shootout: he let in the first two shots he faced and that was all she wrote. It was the last game he ever played for the Oilers.

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