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09-27-2003, 02:47 PM
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jagr's makes 10 million a yr is it?

so thats too much.

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09-27-2003, 03:21 PM
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jagr's makes 10 million a yr is it?

so thats too much.
Is he on the last year of his contract?

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i dont think so

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i dont think so
What about Ziggy Palffy?........If the Kings miss out on the playoffs they may want to go ahead and dump some of their salary over there........I wonder how much they're paying Palffy out there in L.A?

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do you think they'll get another scorer?

i just figured they'd throw it all at a key defenseman

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do you think they'll get another scorer?

i just figured they'd throw it all at a key defenseman
If it were up to me p.l.f. I'd certainly go in that direction....I think we're ok up front and in Goal.......I think we only need to fine tune or group of defencemen.......we need a Stud back there not no #3 or #4 guy.....we already have enough of those here in Toronto

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Kaberle-Klee
McCabe-Jackman
Marchment-Kondratiev

or

Kaberle-McCabe
Kondratiev-Klee
Marchment-Jackman

I actually like the first option even tho it has Klee on the top pairing. He is capable of playing 20-21 minutes a night and plays extremely well defensively. It would allow Kaberle to really explode offensively.

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09-27-2003, 04:08 PM
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Kaberle-McCabe
Kondratiev-Klee
Marchment-Jackman
Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.

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Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.
What about Hedin? I'd rather see him in there as a 25 year old than the younger Kondratiev...

 
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Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.
Who knows?.....maybe the Leafs end up taking both Kondratiev and Berg and fill up that final roster spot with someone who is not in our Leafs organization.........yet.

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Is he on the last year of his contract?
No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.

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No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.
Who is the genius who decided to give Jagr 11 million?!

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Might as well take Kondratiev out and put in Berg.
I think Berg is expendable at this point and combined with a decent prospect may get Leafs a better player ... If the kids impress Quinn then they may make room for one of them at Berg expense..

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We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...

 
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We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...
Dump in Reichel.

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We have defensive depth now, but will we still have it after waiverdraft?

I am mystified by Ferguson's decision to sign Klee now instead of waiting until after the waiverdraft, unless he has some trades already planned to trim some of our spare #6/#7 defensemen). If waiverdraft started tomorrow, it would be a slaughter...
The Klee signing is even stranger now that the Leafs will have to leave someone else exposed... If they would have waited a few more days to sign him than they could have protected an additional player ..

or maybe that was the point of the whole thing in the first place..

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09-28-2003, 03:23 AM
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The Klee signing is even stranger now that the Leafs will have to leave someone else exposed... If they would have waited a few more days to sign him than they could have protected an additional player ..

or maybe that was the point of the whole thing in the first place..
I think so, JF eluded to his discussions involving trades as well as the signing of Klee. He said this on Leafs TV before the game yesterday. I am expecting another minor trade soon, and a mjor one before Christmas.

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09-28-2003, 07:08 AM
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hard to figure who klee will fit in with

i would think :

kaberle mccabe - offensive pair
marchment klee - defensive pair
berg jackman - bit of both
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but if marchment looks tired they might have to try:

kaberle mccabe
klee jackman
berg marchment
pushor

or

kaberle klee
mccabe jackman
berg marchment
pushor

mccabe is better on the right side tho

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hard to figure who klee will fit in with

i would think :

kaberle mccabe - offensive pair
marchment klee - defensive pair
berg jackman - bit of both
pushor

but if marchment looks tired they might have to try:

kaberle mccabe
klee jackman
berg marchment
pushor

or

kaberle klee
mccabe jackman
berg marchment
pushor

mccabe is better on the right side tho
I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..

While McCabe and Jackman would be a good fit..

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09-28-2003, 08:55 AM
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No he's not and i may be wrong but i believe the caps are on the hook for roughly another 40-50 million over the next 4-5 years.
OUCH!...Poor Capitals

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09-28-2003, 12:47 PM
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[QUOTE=The Messenger]I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..



would that kaberle klee pairing have enough size?

what a steal btw, we got klee for only 1.5 million

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09-28-2003, 04:09 PM
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I would think your last pairing is the closest...

Klee has been covering the 1 dimentional Gonchar ass for years and he would allow Kaberle more freedom to pinch and take chances offensively..



would that kaberle klee pairing have enough size?

what a steal btw, we got klee for only 1.5 million
I like McCabe and kaberle and Klee and Jackamn -- I think Klee will allow Jackamn to reach his potnetial.

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I like the signing espescially at only 1 yr, it's a good fit and Klee is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

Gives us a fairly solid defence corp 1-6, no huge holes but no standouts either. Reminds me a little of Philly's defence from last season in that respect.

Kaberle - McCabe
Klee - Jackman
Marchment - Berg
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And remember that Pilar could be back soon as well, although he now has next to no leverage on any contract negotiations. Id still like to see one of the young guys given a shot if they're ready. Perhaps Ferguson feels that none of them are, and if that's the case then fine. We certainly seem to have some good depth at every position now anyway.
now that's more like it... I really hope the Leaf's give Jackman the opportunity to grab that top 4 spot.

Colaiacovo and Kondratiev, although they had solid camps, will be better served on the Rock getting top icetime anyways.

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A fair number of teams IMHO.
He's still young and has potential to improve as he's only 26yrs old, while nearing his athletic prime.
He'd come fairly cheaply, while offering size and a bit of pysical play.
Hardly a standout, but he's a perfectly suitable #6 D-Man with a small upside.

I havent been big on the idea of signing Klee, and I'm still not thrilled with it but it doesnt seem as though our younger D-Man are ready to step up.
Given that it's only a 1yr deal it should be a respectable signing.
He's a good third pairing D-Man in my mind, though on the Leafs he'll likely slot in one the second line.

I'm pleased that all of our acquisitions have been 1yr deals, it sets us up nicely for post-CBA while opening up room for any younger guys that may be ready to step up.


Still a below average defence, but markedly better then it was.
What I wouldnt give to see the Leafs acquire a solid top two guy...


Does anyone have any idea on the terms of the contract?
personally, I think calling the D "below average" is giving into the opinions of the hysterial naysayers. Realistically, if you look at all of the other defence corps around the league the Leafs fall somewhere in the middle with some definite room for improvement.

I know the grass is always greener, but I am fairly happy with our grass.

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09-29-2003, 04:02 AM
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Why? Jackman is twice the player Coli is right now. Put Coli on the Rock until he gets bigger and figures out his defensive play a ltittle better.
exactly....

whats the harm in letting the kid develop some more outisde of the fish bowl?

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