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10-11-2013, 12:21 AM
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**** man, lol, notice to fans of other teams...pacioretty is among the LAST forwards Bergevin would ever deal....

the line begins with gionta, desharnais, moen, bourque, briere....then maybe plekanecs

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10-11-2013, 12:52 AM
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If DD gets traded. We need a dman + top 9.

I'd honestly fix this D before changing anything up front.
Do you do the same trade in two months when Emelin and Murray are in the roster?

Besides Markov, Subban and Emelin, you have:
Gorges, Murray, Tinordi, Beaulieu
all fighting for a spot in the top-4 by the end of the year.

Those injuries to Murray, Emelin and Drewiske are blessings in disguise.
It allows us to give Tinordi and Beaulieu some much wanted NHL experience.

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10-11-2013, 12:55 AM
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Anyone thinks Bergevin is good enough to get Myers out of Buffalo without touching our core assets?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...n_Buffalo.html

What would they expect in return?

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10-11-2013, 12:56 AM
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The question I wonder (after reading the Oilers' PGT) is: would Yakupov accept to go through the usual ordeal we send all our rookies through?

That means playing limited minutes on the 3rd line.
That means working extra hard on the defensive system, and getting cut if you don't seem to care about it.

The Oilers Fans seems to rationalize Yak's bad performance to the fact he isn't playing with skilled teammates. I believe it's most likely because he isn't subject to sufficient discipline as a player. He needs to better hone his decision making; be less lost on the ice.

But it's not exactly easy to do such transformation. Quite the opposite; it requires a certain degree of mental fortitude. Part of the reason Timmins was so high on Galchenyuk: that kid is a true professional; and is ready to do whatever it takes to be more effective. Even if that means do the boring work.

Would Yak? Should we take that chance?

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Wayne Simmonds for Pacioretty, I'd do that.
Pacioretty can be as physical as Simmonds.
The only added value is that Simmonds does fight.

Remove that, you need two Simmonds for one Pacioretty.

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10-11-2013, 01:00 AM
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Anyone thinks Bergevin is good enough to get Myers out of Buffalo without touching our core assets?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...n_Buffalo.html

What would they expect in return?
They probably wouldn't trade him to a divisional rival. They're also rebuilding and would likely want all sorts of prospects and picks.

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10-11-2013, 01:23 AM
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They probably wouldn't trade him to a divisional rival. They're also rebuilding and would likely want all sorts of prospects and picks.
I would expect them to seek for Beaulieu + top-6 D-men (Diaz?) + pick.

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I would expect them to seek for Beaulieu + top-6 D-men (Diaz?) + pick.
Yeah, that seems reasonable. However, he's got a big cap hit and is REALLY struggling. Would we be wanting to move that many assets for something that could really come back to bite us? Beaulieu has very high potential.

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10-11-2013, 01:56 AM
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The question I wonder (after reading the Oilers' PGT) is: would Yakupov accept to go through the usual ordeal we send all our rookies through?

That means playing limited minutes on the 3rd line.
That means working extra hard on the defensive system, and getting cut if you don't seem to care about it.

The Oilers Fans seems to rationalize Yak's bad performance to the fact he isn't playing with skilled teammates. I believe it's most likely because he isn't subject to sufficient discipline as a player. He needs to better hone his decision making; be less lost on the ice.

But it's not exactly easy to do such transformation. Quite the opposite; it requires a certain degree of mental fortitude. Part of the reason Timmins was so high on Galchenyuk: that kid is a true professional; and is ready to do whatever it takes to be more effective. Even if that means do the boring work.

Would Yak? Should we take that chance?
Maybe Yak benefitted from playing with Gally more then other way around.

Look at Kane and Kostitsyn. Kosti was a beast in the juniors but after both getting drafted he disappeared.

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Do you do the same trade in two months when Emelin and Murray are in the roster?

Besides Markov, Subban and Emelin, you have:
Gorges, Murray, Tinordi, Beaulieu
all fighting for a spot in the top-4 by the end of the year.

Those injuries to Murray, Emelin and Drewiske are blessings in disguise.
It allows us to give Tinordi and Beaulieu some much wanted NHL experience.
Yes.
Markov is done. I don't know why people don't understand that.

Imagine getting a guy for example like Trouba (just an example).

I believe the 6 men behind the blue-line are the most important to any team.

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10-11-2013, 04:24 AM
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Yes.
Markov is done. I don't know why people don't understand that.

Imagine getting a guy for example like Trouba (just an example).

I believe the 6 men behind the blue-line are the most important to any team.
you're kidding right ? the guy would be on the top 4 of ANY team in this league.

He's not as fast as he used to be, but that doesnt mean he's done. not everything in life is Black or White, there's a ******** of grey...

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Do you do the same trade in two months when Emelin and Murray are in the roster?

Besides Markov, Subban and Emelin, you have:
Gorges, Murray, Tinordi, Beaulieu
all fighting for a spot in the top-4 by the end of the year.

Those injuries to Murray, Emelin and Drewiske are blessings in disguise.
It allows us to give Tinordi and Beaulieu some much wanted NHL experience.
You can always count on one or two injuries to Habs dmen at any given time.

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10-11-2013, 05:04 AM
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Players we should have a look come trade deadline:

Steve Ott (Buffalo)
Dan Girardi (New York)
Martin Erat (Washington)

And to a lesser extend Nail Yakupov but I dont think Edmonton will give up on him. They better not. But if by magic they happen to be willing to trade him we should be all over that. Yakupov-Galchenyuk-Subban-Eller-Price is an incredible foundation for a contending team.

But as for the more realistic options: Steve Ott, I believe, should take Desharnais spot on the third line. We'd suddenly have a much more balanced lineup and it would take away from Plekanec's some defensive duties in order for him to focus more on offence. Maybe he could get back to his 08 form when he scored 70+ points. We should actually be expecting that from our 1st line center. Trading Desharnais and a 2nd round pick for him could make sense even though he is a UFA.

Dan Girardi is a UFA. He is strong on the puck, can play in every situations, looked good for the Rangers in playoff. I'm not sure what the price might be but with Markov, Bouillon, Diaz and Emelin contracts all expiring July 1st, I'd take a long look at him. Maybe a prospect like Leblanc, a pick and Diaz could work. Maybe Rangers ask for Beaulieu - if they do, we'd need Girardi to extend his contract beforehand.

Finally, I'm hoping Washington recognize their mistake and trade Martin Erat. His value would be an all-time low. He is not having success in Washington right now (maybe becauce he's getting 9 min of ice time/game) but he have been a key player for Nashville for so long. I think he'd be perfect match with his fellow countrymate Plekanec. He have one year of contract left. He's 6'0 and 200 lbs. Washington might want to get rid of him and even though I'm very relucant on trading the captain I'd do a Gionta for Erat swap.


Pacioretty - Plekanec - Erat
Bourque - Eller - Brière
Gallagher - Galchenyuk - Ott
Prust - Bournival - Moen
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Subban - Markov
Emelin - Girardi
Tinordi - Gorges
Bouillon

Price

Now that's a lineup I'd be confident going in the playoff!

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10-11-2013, 06:24 AM
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Markov is done. I don't know why people don't understand that.

Imagine getting a guy for example like Trouba (just an example)..
If Markov is done, how is he supposed to retrieve Trouba on the trade market?


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10-11-2013, 07:25 AM
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Anyone thinks Bergevin is good enough to get Myers out of Buffalo without touching our core assets?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...n_Buffalo.html

What would they expect in return?

The contract is probably the deal breaker...too big a risk.

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Yes.
Markov is done. I don't know why people don't understand that.

Imagine getting a guy for example like Trouba (just an example).

I believe the 6 men behind the blue-line are the most important to any team.
LMAO

Markov is done? Are you watching the Habs this year? He's been a force out there and moving better than last year.


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10-11-2013, 08:40 AM
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If Markov is done, how is he supposed to retrieve Trouba on the trade market?

Learn to read.

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10-11-2013, 08:48 AM
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Maybe Yak benefitted from playing with Gally more then other way around.

Look at Kane and Kostitsyn. Kosti was a beast in the juniors but after both getting drafted he disappeared.
AK had great skill, nevertheless.

My question is more: could Yak be shaped into a true star, or he's just going to be a talented floater?

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AK had great skill, nevertheless.

My question is more: could Yak be shaped into a true star, or he's just going to be a talented floater?
I'm sure he meant SK, who played with Kane in the OHL, and got 131 points
his final season.

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And I doubt that Yakapov was ever a floater. He might not be very professional
yet. But at 19 that's not so surprising.

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I'm sure he meant SK, who played with Kane in the OHL, and got 131 points
his final season.
Oh man do I feel stupid.

Same difference. SK was very skilled as well. He just needed more focus and discipline.


Btw; for all of those who like to rail at Bergevin's obsession with "character". Do you know what clinched their choice of Galchenyuk?

Character

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And I doubt that Yakapov was ever a floater. He might not be very professional
yet. But at 19 that's not so surprising.
Well, let's say that at 19 AND ON THE OILERS, it's not surprising.

Right now, he IS a floater. Nothing else. My question was: do you think we could turn him around if we got him on the Habs? Do you think he has the cojones to work hard on the boring defensive play first?

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Anyone thinks Bergevin is good enough to get Myers out of Buffalo without touching our core assets?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...n_Buffalo.html

What would they expect in return?
To be honest we have Tinordi and Beaulieu coming in the next year or two which they will be full timers and instead of trading for Myers who has been going downhill for 3 years now I'd rather keep Markov around for another year or even 2

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I'm sure he meant SK, who played with Kane in the OHL, and got 131 points
his final season.
SK had a good amount of talent...but he benefitted more from Kane and Gagner than the other way around.

He should have made a good 2nd line NHL winger but the drive and work ethic seemed lacking.

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Anyone thinks Bergevin is good enough to get Myers out of Buffalo without touching our core assets?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...n_Buffalo.html

What would they expect in return?

Buffalo wont sell now when his value took a big hit. They are rebuilding anyways so they will roll the dice with him. Plus I would rather just call up Pateyrn than give up assets for him....

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I want a trade that sends DD or Gionta away, MT is too limited in what he can do with lines when he always has to 'balance' out the smurf factor.

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