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07-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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Overpaid goon, no thank you.

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Yes, I do know that he's not the most physical. He's still a big body (6'5") who's difficult to move and he protects the puck quite well.

I've asked the question on my twitter and the votes are about 50-50 so far.

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07-26-2013, 12:24 PM
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I'd do it easily. Gaustad solves the face-off/penalty killing problem. DD adds to our soft, no scoring, no jam, problem.

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07-26-2013, 12:28 PM
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I'd do it easily. Gaustad solves the face-off/penalty killing problem. DD adds to our soft, no scoring, no jam, problem.
I'm thinking a Desharnais for Gallstones trade proposal might also bring the same response.

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07-26-2013, 12:33 PM
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Gaustad for Desharnais will never happen. Buffalo just bought out Gerbe, why would they take another munchkin?

Gionta for Klesla would be grand, but like previous posters said, Gionta will not leave the north east to go to Arizona. His career is ending, he wouldn't waive his NTC.

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07-26-2013, 12:34 PM
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Both make identical salaries and both would fill a team need better on their proposed new team. Discuss.
2nd liner VS 4th liner?? Why would you do such a thing? The 2nd line is more important than the 4th.

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07-26-2013, 12:35 PM
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For everyone worried about how to replace Gionta if we go through with this, how about:

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C David Desharnais
LD/RD Josh Gorges


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RW Troy Brouwer
LD Dmitry Orlov
3rd/4th rounder 2014



...seems to be getting OK response from the Caps board so far (I originally had Moen in there, but they didn't want him)...then, we sign Kyle Clifford:

To

LW Kyle Clifford


To

2nd rounder 2014
4th/5th rounder 2014



...so the lineup looks something like this:

Pacioretty - Eller - Briere
Bourque - Plekanec - Brouwer
Clifford - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - White - Parros/Moen
LeBlanc

Klesla/Tinordi - Subban
Markov - Tinordi/Klesla/Emelin
Bouillon/Drewiske/Tinordi - Diaz



...they could flip Moen to a couple different spots that need a bit of grit and grab a mid-pick, if needed...could also throw a pick or so at the Rangers for Brian Boyle to centre the 4th line...options are out there...
Bouwer would be a nice guy to have but I doubt Washington is moving him. Plus to add a good young player and a pick, doubt it.

For Clifford, 2nd and 4th/5th is too much. He'd be a nice guy to have but that's basically the value of a late 1st rounder, unless MB sees him as a future 2nd liner no way he pays that much.

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07-26-2013, 12:37 PM
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Gaustad for Desharnais will never happen. Buffalo just bought out Gerbe, why would they take another munchkin?

Gionta for Klesla would be grand, but like previous posters said, Gionta will not leave the north east to go to Arizona. His career is ending, he wouldn't waive his NTC.
Buffalo would never do it, Nashville on the other hand....

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07-26-2013, 12:39 PM
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Both make identical salaries and both would fill a team need better on their proposed new team. Discuss.
That's like saying let's trade Subban for Bogosian because he is a better fit...horrible trade.

Trading a 2nd liner for a 4th liner making the same salary is about as ass backwards a trade as you could make.


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07-26-2013, 12:45 PM
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Yes, I do know that he's not the most physical. He's still a big body (6'5") who's difficult to move and he protects the puck quite well.

I've asked the question on my twitter and the votes are about 50-50 so far.
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I'd do it easily. Gaustad solves the face-off/penalty killing problem. DD adds to our soft, no scoring, no jam, problem.
I'm glad you guys aren't GM.

A guy making over 3 mil/year and getting 4th line ice time has negative value.

I don't think MB would take him for FREE let alone give us his #2 center for him.

Sometimes I wonder if people on here actually follow NHL hockey.

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07-26-2013, 12:48 PM
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Yes, I do know that he's not the most physical. He's still a big body (6'5") who's difficult to move and he protects the puck quite well.

I've asked the question on my twitter and the votes are about 50-50 so far.
Well, I don't think it's ridiculous, and Wheeler is a better option than some of the previous proposals around here (Perron, really?), but it's still a treading-water move that I'm not sure would appeal to either team (or Plekanec and his NTC).

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Gaustad for Desharnais will never happen. Buffalo just bought out Gerbe, why would they take another munchkin?

Gionta for Klesla would be grand, but like previous posters said, Gionta will not leave the north east to go to Arizona. His career is ending, he wouldn't waive his NTC.
BTW, Gerbe just signed a two-way contract with Car.
150K-550K.
Quite a drop from 1,8M salary.

There will be lots of deals for FA in August and September.
With 30 more contracts, all team in NHL have 23 players.

No need to rush in a trade unless it improves the team a lot.
Also RFAs will change the picture.

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07-26-2013, 12:53 PM
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I'm glad you guys aren't GM.

A guy making over 3 mil/year and getting 4th line ice time has negative value.

I don't think MB would take him for FREE let alone give us his #2 center for him.

Sometimes I wonder if people on here actually follow NHL hockey.
Clearly you don't if you think that DD is a legit #2 center and conveniently disregard the fact our face-off/PK play is brutal.

It's ok, we saw in the play-offs that grit, size, faceoffs and PK weren't important. DD's 1 assist in 5 games certainly was, though.

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07-26-2013, 01:06 PM
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Subban for Simmonds + couturier + Morin

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Lol No.

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Clearly you don't if you think that DD is a legit #2 center and conveniently disregard the fact our face-off/PK play is brutal.

It's ok, we saw in the play-offs that grit, size, faceoffs and PK weren't important. DD's 1 assist in 5 games certainly was, though.
The main problem with this assertion is that getting rid of DD to solve faceoffs problems is about the same as getting rid of Emelin to solve size problems on the blue line...

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07-26-2013, 01:16 PM
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The main problem with this assertion is that getting rid of DD to solve faceoffs problems is about the same as getting rid of Emelin to solve size problems on the blue line...
What ?

Wait... Emelin is big = lack.
DD is bad at FO+Adding someone good at FO= ???

Can't compute.

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07-26-2013, 01:44 PM
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Yakupov for Galchenyuk Would you do it? personally i would not.

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07-26-2013, 01:52 PM
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Clearly you don't if you think that DD is a legit #2 center and conveniently disregard the fact our face-off/PK play is brutal.

It's ok, we saw in the play-offs that grit, size, faceoffs and PK weren't important. DD's 1 assist in 5 games certainly was, though.
If the faceoff thing is an issue sign a 4th line faceoff specialist. Pk was #2 in the NHL 2 years ago, it will improve when Price starts playing like a 6.5 mil goalie again.

Trading DD for a faceoff specialist makes about as much asense as trading Subban for Myers because we want size.

DD would have a lot more than 1 assist if Pacioretty wasn't playing with a separated shoulder. I didn't think he played poorly, but he can do better...but don't let that prevent you from taking a small sample of data and drawing large conclusions.

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07-26-2013, 02:27 PM
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For everyone worried about how to replace Gionta if we go through with this, how about:

To

C David Desharnais
LD/RD Josh Gorges


To

RW Troy Brouwer
LD Dmitry Orlov
3rd/4th rounder 2014



...seems to be getting OK response from the Caps board so far (I originally had Moen in there, but they didn't want him)...then, we sign Kyle Clifford:

To

LW Kyle Clifford


To

2nd rounder 2014
4th/5th rounder 2014



...so the lineup looks something like this:

Pacioretty - Eller - Briere
Bourque - Plekanec - Brouwer
Clifford - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - White - Parros/Moen
LeBlanc

Klesla/Tinordi - Subban
Markov - Tinordi/Klesla/Emelin
Bouillon/Drewiske/Tinordi - Diaz



...they could flip Moen to a couple different spots that need a bit of grit and grab a mid-pick, if needed...could also throw a pick or so at the Rangers for Brian Boyle to centre the 4th line...options are out there...
I would do these trades in a heart beat. Trade Moen to Edm for a 3rd. Boyle would also be a good pickup.

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07-26-2013, 02:29 PM
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I'm glad you guys aren't GM.

A guy making over 3 mil/year and getting 4th line ice time has negative value.

I don't think MB would take him for FREE let alone give us his #2 center for him.

Sometimes I wonder if people on here actually follow NHL hockey.
Not sure why you quoted me as I wasn't talking about Gaustad, but Blake Wheeler.

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The main problem with this assertion is that getting rid of DD to solve faceoffs problems is about the same as getting rid of Emelin to solve size problems on the blue line...
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This makes no sense what so ever.

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07-26-2013, 02:31 PM
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The main problem with this assertion is that getting rid of DD to solve faceoffs problems is about the same as getting rid of Emelin to solve size problems on the blue line...
Two completely different things. We signed Briere who is a rich mans dd.. We would be addressing a need through a surplus with this trade. There a reason why Nashville traded what they did for gaustad, players of his ilk are valuable in the play off grind.

Furthermore, there are no face off specialists left on the market, Especially none that can playhockey like gaustad can. Moncton scout thinks, wrongly of course, that the pk was bad because of price. No, we lost faveoffs, board and loose puck battles, all things gaustad brings. Furthermore, Hal Gill is not there and he was a big pk player.

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Oh and monctonscout, did pacioretty's shoulder prevent Dd from not getting a shot on goal the entire series (Im not counting his silly wrap Round) or do we need another excuse for that?

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That's like saying let's trade Subban for Bogosian because he is a better fit...horrible trade.
Huh? Don't see how you link the proposed trade with this silly one.

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Trading a 2nd liner for a 4th liner making the same salary is about as ass backwards a trade as you could make.
Galchenyuk (who should be playing his natural position at center), Plekanec, and Eller should be Montreal's 3 top centermen. Gaustad plays on the third/fourth line as a winger or centerman, can kill penalties, win face-offs, and all around can lean on the opposition and make their life miserable. Yes, he's overpaid but no more so than Desharnais. We need one or two more players like Gaustad to win playoff rounds and with the addition of Briere, can do with one less undersized Desharnais-type player.

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