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07-27-2013, 08:00 PM
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I really dont think you quite understand the quality of prospect Profar is. Profar was the #1 overall prospect in baseball just a short time ago.

Bautista will bring back a nice haul but if Profar is headlining the deal dont expect all that much after him. Profar and Martin Perez would make sense for both sides.

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I really dont think you quite understand the quality of prospect Profar is. Profar was the #1 overall prospect in baseball just a short time ago.

Bautista will bring back a nice haul but if Profar is headlining the deal dont expect all that much after him. Profar and Martin Perez would make sense for both sides.
Yes, and Will Myers was #2/3 and was dealt with other top pieces for a lesser player. In baseball the volatility of prospects are high even with "sure things" If Profar was hitting close to his potential, they aren't even looking for a bat.

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Yes, and Will Myers was #2/3 and was dealt with other top pieces for a lesser player. In baseball the volatility of prospects are high even with "sure things" If Profar was hitting close to his potential, they aren't even looking for a bat.
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Ya but it was Will Myers and ONE other piece for James Shields and Wade Davis (who they prolly thought would be a serviceable back end guy).

You proposed Profar along with 3 other pieces which is pretty far fetched.
Not really, you are just of the opinion that the grass is greener on the other side. If the situation was reversed you would probably be easily ready to throw Gose +++ out the door because hes having a down year and think hes worthless now.

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07-27-2013, 08:13 PM
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Not really, you are just of the opinion that the grass is greener on the other side. If the situation was reversed you would probably be easily ready to throw Gose +++ out the door because hes having a down year and think hes worthless now.
If the situation was reversed and I was Texas, I wouldnt be dealing arguably the #1 prospect in baseball who plays a premium position along with 3 other solid prospects for a 33yo player with declining numbers.

We could get Profar for Bautista most likely but to expect ALOT more after that is wishfull thinking.

And WTF you talking about with Gose? I havent once posted this season that the kid all the sudden sucks. LOL at the notion that Gose is anywhere near the quality of prospect that Profar is.

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If the situation was reversed and I was Texas, I wouldnt be dealing arguably the #1 prospect in baseball who plays a premium position along with 3 other solid prospects for a 33yo player with declining numbers.

We could get Profar for Bautista most likely but to expect ALOT more after that is wishfull thinking.

And WTF you talking about with Gose? I havent once posted this season that the kid all the sudden sucks.
Why would we have to take a risk for Bautista straight up? I can't imagine any GM trading a star player for 1 player who "might" be a star.

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07-27-2013, 08:19 PM
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Why would we have to take a risk for Bautista straight up? I can't imagine any GM trading a star player for 1 player who "might" be a star.
I said you could prolly get Profar and possibly someone like Perez.
Meanwhile you posted Profar, Perez, Ramirez and Joey Gallo. To each their own but I think thats just pure fantasy land.

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I said you could prolly get Profar and possibly someone like Perez.
Meanwhile you posted Profar, Perez, Ramirez and Joey Gallo. To each their own but I think thats just pure fantasy land.
Do you think Texas would seriously think they can get a 5 WAR player for 3.5 years and only have to give up 1 top prospect (who might never record 5 WAR) and a mid to bottom rotation starter?

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Texas would be better off trying to trade for Mike Stanton with that kind of package.

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07-27-2013, 08:24 PM
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Do you think Texas would seriously think they can get a 5 WAR player for 3.5 years and only have to give up 1 top prospect (who might never record 5 WAR) and a mid to bottom rotation starter?
No offense but this just isnt some top prospect.
The kid is considered possibly the best prospect in all of baseball. Sure that doesnt mean he is guranteed to turn out but to expect that kind of asset plus 3 other quality ones is kind of wishfull thinking on my part.

Like Epicteus says they should just go after Stanton if there giving up basically the entire farm.

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So what do you all think of the value paid for Garza, a 2 month rental pitcher?

Justin Grimm, Mike Olt and C.J. Edwards + PTBL ?

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So what do you all think of the value paid for Garza, a 2 month rental pitcher?

Justin Grimm, Mike Olt and C.J. Edwards + PTBL ?
Umm theres really nothing in there thats all that great.

Mike Olt, 25 year old whos stunk badly this season in AAA

Justin Grimm is nothing more then a backend rotation guy.

CJ Edwards a young decent arm whos all the way down in A ball.

Just a bunch of meh really.

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Umm theres really nothing in there thats all that great.

Mike Olt, 25 year old whos stunk badly this season in AAA

Justin Grimm is nothing more then a backend rotation guy.

CJ Edwards a young decent arm whos all the way down in A ball.

Just a bunch of meh really.
K then,

Perez and Ramirez are backend rotation guys, Gallo is a decent prospect whos all the way down in A ball. Profar is the only "top" piece to my package.

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Put him on waivers

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K then,

Perez and Ramirez are backend rotation guys, Gallo is a decent prospect whos all the way down in A ball. Profar is the only "top" piece to my package.
Perez is only 22 years old. Justin Grimm is already 25 and pitching significantly worse then Perez has this season. Most scouts I've read think he can be a solid #3 with his good fastball, changeup and curve.

I think we differ on just how valueble Profar is. He is only 20 years old and on most other teams would prolly be seeing almost fulltime playing time. For comparisons sake Will Myers is 3 years older then Profar.

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Perez is only 22 years old. Justin Grimm is already 25 and pitching significantly worse then Perez has this season. Most scouts I've read think he can be a solid #3 with his good fastball, changeup and curve.

I think we differ on just how valueble Profar is. He is only 20 years old and on most other teams would prolly be seeing almost fulltime playing time. For comparisons sake Will Myers is 3 years older then Profar.
Was it you that wanted to deal Sanchez + Syndergaard + one of our other top prospects for Garza last year? I don't want to toot my own horn but I am pretty damn good at extrapolating values in terms of trades and $ over the years on here and I am sure some people can vouch that.

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Was it you that wanted to deal Sanchez + Syndergaard + one of our other top prospects for Garza last year? I don't want to toot my own horn but I am pretty damn good at extrapolating values in terms of trades and $ over the years on here and I am sure some people can vouch that.
Nope it was actually Marisnick+Syndergaard that I proposed for Garza+ prospect. That doesnt look all that great but It looks like that would have been a more wise investment then d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey .

The point is Profar is a WAY better prospect then any of these guys.

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How did Stroman not even get into the top 100 on Mayo's midseason rankings...

1. Byron Buxton is now 1st.
2. Syndergaard went from 29 to 14.
3. d'Arnaud went from 6th to 23.
4. Sanchez went from 35 to 24 (ranked #10 for righties).
5. Appel starts off at 29.
6. Osuna went from 90 to 58.

Initial top 10 was : 1. Sanchez 2. Osuna 3. Norris 4. Davis 5. Stroman 6. Alford 7. Smoral 8. Nolin 9. Stilson 10. Cardona

new top 10: 1. Sanchez 2. Osuna 3. Stroman 4. Norris 5. Nolin 6. Stilson 7. Davis 8. Alford 9. Jimenez 10. Smoral (Cardona dropped to 11th)

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Guys like Profar don't come around that often.

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How did Stroman not even get into the top 100 on Mayo's midseason rankings...

1. Byron Buxton is now 1st.
2. Syndergaard went from 29 to 14.
3. d'Arnaud went from 6th to 23.
4. Sanchez went from 35 to 24 (ranked #10 for righties).
5. Appel starts off at 29.
6. Osuna went from 90 to 58.

Initial top 10 was : 1. Sanchez 2. Osuna 3. Norris 4. Davis 5. Stroman 6. Alford 7. Smoral 8. Nolin 9. Stilson 10. Cardona

new top 10: 1. Sanchez 2. Osuna 3. Stroman 4. Norris 5. Nolin 6. Stilson 7. Davis 8. Alford 9. Jimenez 10. Smoral (Cardona dropped to 11th)
People view him as a reliever which hurts his stock.

Which I guess is fitting, if he wasn't he wouldn't of lasted for us to take him where we did.

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Joey Gallo screams bust. Its one thing to strike out at a high rate but its another thing to strikeout almost 40% of the time in A-ball. And that K rate is probably going to go up as he moves up each level.

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Guys like Profar don't come around that often.
Profar makes so much sense for us.
He can play 2B for the next few years until Reyes needs to get moved off the position and then just slide Profar over to SS.

I even think we could nicely retool with Jose's money this offseason.

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People view him as a reliever which hurts his stock.

Which I guess is fitting, if he wasn't he wouldn't of lasted for us to take him where we did.
Kinda stupid that guys like Eddie Butler and Jimmy Nelson made it into the rankings but he snubs Stroman who has way better stuff.

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Guys like Profar don't come around that often.
Meh, guys like Bautista never usually get traded either. Desperation can make a club do some stupid things like moving a top 20 prospect for a rental bat (San Fran).

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Dont know too much about baseball.

Can someone explain why the Jays suck balls, with what I here is an extremely powerful roster on paper?

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