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06-21-2005, 06:23 PM
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Nevermind the 3rd/4th line he could be a good fit for the Sedins. He's big and gritty and he scored 20 goals last season.
Smith's no slouch, either.

Naslund. Morrison. Bertuzzi
Sedin. Sedin. Torres
Cooke. Niedermayer. Linden
May. Chubarov. Ruutu/Keane (?)

Niedermayer. Smith ( no clue which sides they can play )
Ohlund. Sopel
Allen. Salo

Cloutier. Auld

Not sure we could afford all of that, though.

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06-21-2005, 06:24 PM
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I don't know what Burke was thinking when he signed Jovo to that contract. He is WAY overpaid for what he brings, which is too many brutal giveaways and silly penalties. (Bryan McCabe?) After the rollback, the market for $4 million d-men is going to be pretty thin.

That being said, if there was a team with a lot of salary cap room who desperately needed an offensive d-man, maybe the Canucks could move Jovo. But there are not any teams that I am aware of who are going to be willing to overpay for that contract.

Smith + Torres... even if the Oilers were not in the same division, that would be big time overpayment by the Oil.
how about returing him to florida

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06-21-2005, 06:30 PM
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how about returing him to florida
Only if Luongo is coming back the other way

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Only if Luongo is coming back the other way
horton, weiss for jovo?

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06-21-2005, 07:12 PM
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horton, weiss for jovo?
They're both centres right? Doesn't really address any of our needs. Sure you could put one of them with the Sedins but we're better off just signing a FA for that role.

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06-21-2005, 07:16 PM
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Would Henrik Sedin be able to move to the wing? If so, Vancouver could go out and sign a UFA like Lindross:

Bertuzzi-Morrison-Naslund
Sedin-Lindros-Sedin

That would probably be a better option than giving up an anchor on defense like Jovanovski for a guy like Zednik IMO. Without Jovanovski, Salo is your #2. He's a good d-man, but he's not a #2 IMO. He's a good #3, or outstanding #4, or a subpar #2.

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06-21-2005, 07:23 PM
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Would Henrik Sedin be able to move to the wing? If so, Vancouver could go out and sign a UFA like Lindross:

Bertuzzi-Morrison-Naslund
Sedin-Lindros-Sedin

That would probably be a better option than giving up an anchor on defense like Jovanovski for a guy like Zednik IMO. Without Jovanovski, Salo is your #2. He's a good d-man, but he's not a #2 IMO. He's a good #3, or outstanding #4, or a subpar #2.
Henrik has never been tried on the wing before IIRC. The Sedins are unique in that the type of game they play and how they feed off each other one of them needs to centre the other. I would rather signing a guy like Kariya instead of Lindros anyways.

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Henrik has never been tried on the wing before IIRC. The Sedins are unique in that the type of game they play and how they feed off each other one of them needs to centre the other. I would rather signing a guy like Kariya instead of Lindros anyways.
Ok, just throwing out there as a suggestion. It would be neat to see how he does though....

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06-21-2005, 08:01 PM
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Ok, just throwing out there as a suggestion. It would be neat to see how he does though....
It's something I have considered before also. But while Daniel has been tried on the right side there must be a reason why Henrik is never tested anywhere but centre.

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how about returing him to florida
Florida won't pay the price for two reasons. First, they wouldn't give up what Vancouver would be lookin for. Secondly, the glut of defensemen on the open market would cost nothing to find one defenseman to play Jovo's role here. Panthers may offer up Mezei, a prospect not named Horton, Weiss, Olesz, Stewart, or Bouwmeester, and a pick or two, possibly not a first rounder tho. Jovo's price tag, plus impending free agency, plus Florida's ability to go out and sign a comparable defenseman trade-free, severly devalues Jovo's worth to Florida through a trade.


And anyone believin Jovo is worth Luongo better be willin to give up the Nucks future and present in the form of the Sedins, Kesler, and Auld, plus possibly Allen. The defenseman (Jovo) for Luongo thread has already been rehashed to an inexcusable extent with Chara replaing Ed.

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They're both centres right? Doesn't really address any of our needs. Sure you could put one of them with the Sedins but we're better off just signing a FA for that role.
Horton played a majority of last season on the right wing, plus a good portion of what little he played in San Antonio this season on the wing, but has also been used at center. Horton seemed to prosper on a line that looked very similar to the Naslund-Morrison-Bertuzzi line with Nedorost or V. Bure havin the role of Naslund. Just as they meshed, everyone got hurt pretty severly. Horton is still sufferin from complications due to that injury, even if Panther management doesn't say it.

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I'd do the Raycroft deal in a heartbeat too. IMO Raycroft's already an upgrade on Cloutier, who we could then trade for either a cheap physical defensive defenseman or a 45+ point powerforward.. If we get the Niedermayer's after that, suddenly we have a better team without losing money, and have an extra 1st rounder.

Naslund. Morrison. Bertuzzi
Sedin. Sedin. Niedermayer
Cooke. Kesler. Linden
May. Chubarov. Ruutu/Keane (?)

Niedermayer. Aquired D
Ohlund. Sopel
Allen. Salo

Raycroft. Auld (?)

1st Rounder

Salary-wise, Jovo ( 4m ) + Cloutier ( 3m? ) = Niedermayer ( 3m? ) + Niedermayer ( 1.5m? ) + Raycroft ( 1.5m? ) + Physical D ( 1m-ish )

Might wanna pick up a veteran backup too.
Scott could be asking $4m, Rob should be less than $1.5m.

There is still a hole at 2nd line RW but at least goal is lookng much better.

Auld and the 1st(s) could be trade bait for a good cheap 2nd line RWer.

May will have to sign cheap or go.

Rob Neidermayer to a 3rd line position

Linden/Kesler to Sedin's RW or the 4th line if we can't get that proper RWer.

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Just curious, why so anxious to deal a 29 year old #1 stud defenseman?

Is there a chronic injury I am forgetting?

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That would probably be a better option than giving up an anchor on defense like Jovanovski for a guy like Zednik IMO. Without Jovanovski, Salo is your #2. He's a good d-man, but he's not a #2 IMO. He's a good #3, or outstanding #4, or a subpar #2.
Agreed. but you're forgetting that the only reason Jovo is popping up in trade threads is because many people are guessing that Scott Niedermayer is going to sign with the Canucks. But if he doesn't sign then there is no chance that Jovanovski would be traded as he fits in like a glove on this team, and is affordable.
Plus he likes it in Vancouver.

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Agreed. but you're forgetting that the only reason Jovo is popping up in trade threads is because many people are guessing that Scott Niedermayer is going to sign with the Canucks. But if he doesn't sign then there is no chance that Jovanovski would be traded.
I'd just sign a guy like Scott Thornton for you 2nd line duty. Can clean out the corners for the Sedins. Or, we'll trade you Martin Lapointe straight up for Salo.

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I'd just sign a guy like Scott Thornton for you 2nd line duty. Can clean out the corners for the Sedins. Or, we'll trade you Martin Lapointe straight up for Salo.
Scott Thornton is not a 2nd liner. He's barely cutting the mustard as a third-liner these days.

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Rob Neidermayer to a 3rd line position
He is much like Cooke IMO. Ideal for a 3rd line position but has the skills and talent to jump up onto the second line without looking out of place. Plus he has a higher offensive potential then Cooke as well. I think he would do quit well with the Sedins.

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Just curious, why so anxious to deal a 29 year old #1 stud defenseman?

Is there a chronic injury I am forgetting?
The theory goes, if the Vancouver Canucks sign Scott Niedermayer, he will take the #1 spot away from Ed Jovanovski. Moreso, Jovanovski's contract is fairly heavy in the new CBA market, and there is pretty much no way Vancouver could afford to keep him and Niedermayer.

Finally, he could be a very useful asset in attaining a winger for the Sedins, or even an upgrade in net.
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I'd just sign a guy like Scott Thornton for you 2nd line duty. Can clean out the corners for the Sedins. Or, we'll trade you Martin Lapointe straight up for Salo.
The same Martin Lapointe that some team signed for $4,000,000? That ain't our baby!

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The theory goes, if the Vancouver Canucks sign Scott Niedermayer, he will take the #1 spot away from Ed Jovanovski. Moreso, Jovanovski's contract is fairly heavy in the new CBA market, and there is pretty much no way Vancouver could afford to keep him and Niedermayer.

Finally, he could be a very useful asset in attaining a winger for the Sedins, or even an upgrade in net.
Did I miss something or had Ohlund and Sopel drop off the defensive pairing #1 position. Ohlund has consistanly been our #1 ice time dman for the last few years. Not to mention that it is Ohlund and Sopel that play on the #1 power play unit with Naslund and Bertuzzi and Ohlund is on the #1 penalty killing unit. Jovo is a second line dman in Vancouver.

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Well, fine. He is a second pairing defenseman in Vancouver, but he could be a first pairing defenseman on any team in the League. Even Vancouver.

(If that makes any sense, I'm sure it doesn't!)

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Did I miss something or had Ohlund and Sopel drop off the defensive pairing #1 position. Ohlund has consistanly been our #1 ice time dman for the last few years. Not to mention that it is Ohlund and Sopel that play on the #1 power play unit with Naslund and Bertuzzi and Ohlund is on the #1 penalty killing unit. Jovo is a second line dman in Vancouver.

... just because he plays on the second pairing doesn't make him any less of a #1/#2 dman... pair him up with a better dman than Malik and you will see him jump back up to the #1 pairing.. and it wouldn't make Ohlund any less of a dman.

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Handzus and Esche

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Jovo

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I'd take that trade in a second too assuming the Canucks could sign Niedermayer. I wouldn't keep Handzus though, although I do like him, but with Morrison and Henrik as the #1/2 centers, Handzus is too costly to keep around. I'd trade him away for a physical d-man to replace Sopel.

That said, I can't see Philly offering up Esche at this time, Nittymaki will have to prove he can produce at the NHL level before they'll offer up Esche.

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You're right, I threw that out there hypothetically.

What about Niitymakki and Handzus?

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You're right, I threw that out there hypothetically.

What about Niitymakki and Handzus?
Bad deal for Philly, unless they can land a franchise goalie somewhere else. Esche is a solid goalie, but hasn't shown the consistency to be a clear cut number one on a contender the stature of Philly year in and year out. That's why they brought in Sean Burke for the playoff stretch.

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