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07-27-2013, 11:04 AM
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Dustin Brown has scored 40 goals his last 2 seasons, paid 5.85M per now. 28 years old.

Milan Lucic has scored 33 goals his last 2 seasons, paid 6M per now. 25 years old.

David Clarkson has scored 45 goals in his last 2 seasons, paid 5.25M per and is 29 years old

Now Clarkson isn't as good a player as Brown, but Brown doesn't have David's fighting acumen. But both are similar as being tough to play against, hitting, and net presence.

All 3 players are great teammates, and leaders.

If Clarkson can score 20 goals next season, and provide the physical game he is capable of. 5.25 in comparison to Lucic's 6M and Brown's 5.85 is not a bad contract, especially considering he has scored more goals than both players have the past 2 seasons based on recency of play.
Great post Interactif.

Also looking at the UFA contracts of Horton, and Clowe, Clarksons deal seems fair. The only thing I personally don't like are the years, but I will reserve my judgement until he plays at least a game.

Gotta love these Hab fans telling us were screwed, what'd you guys do? Add another smurf to your collection?

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07-27-2013, 11:09 AM
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Dustin Brown has scored 40 goals his last 2 seasons, paid 5.85M per now. 28 years old.

Milan Lucic has scored 33 goals his last 2 seasons, paid 6M per now. 25 years old.

David Clarkson has scored 45 goals in his last 2 seasons, paid 5.25M per and is 29 years old

Now Clarkson isn't as good a player as Brown, but Brown doesn't have David's fighting acumen. But both are similar as being tough to play against, hitting, and net presence.

All 3 players are great teammates, and leaders.

If Clarkson can score 20 goals next season, and provide the physical game he is capable of. 5.25 in comparison to Lucic's 6M and Brown's 5.85 is not a bad contract, especially considering he has scored more goals than both players have the past 2 seasons based on recency of play.
But people will go on and on comparing Clarkson to other types of players not like him. Remember, he's a Leaf now and can't possibly be as good as anyone similar but not a Leaf and if the Leafs can't sign the great and irreplaceable number 1 defenseman Franson to a ridiculous overpriced contract, then it's all Clarksons fault.

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07-27-2013, 12:24 PM
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Yeah Clarkson isn't Lucic or Brown. But it's Nonis' fault, not his, if Franson has to go. Franson is replaceable, but he's also pretty decent. I'd rather keep him around than Gunnarsson, on account of age and upside.

Nonis should've bought out Liles instead of Komi.

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07-27-2013, 12:28 PM
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Goligoski fetched Neal and Niskanen.

Johnson fetched Shattenkirk and Stewart.

Johnson and 1st for Carter.

Schenn fetched JVR.

You better believe the price will be high for Franson. Trading young established d-men is a PREMIUM in the NHL.

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07-27-2013, 12:29 PM
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so again, no leverage....sit out or take what's offered.....dealing him for peanuts isn't an option
You should be an NHL GM, think of how good your cap management would be if you just forced all of your RFAs to play for league minimum! Why aren't all of the other GMs doing this?

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07-27-2013, 12:32 PM
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Goligoski fetched Neal and Niskanen.

Johnson fetched Shattenkirk and Stewart.

Johnson and 1st for Carter.

Schenn fetched JVR.

You better believe the price will be high for Franson. Trading young established d-men is a PREMIUM in the NHL.
Franson and Lombardi fetched Lebda and Slaney.

Cap dump scenario.

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Goligoski fetched Neal and Niskanen.

Johnson fetched Shattenkirk and Stewart.

Johnson and 1st for Carter.

Schenn fetched JVR.

You better believe the price will be high for Franson. Trading young established d-men is a PREMIUM in the NHL.
Yes, but all of those players had multiple full seasons of playing well before they got those kind of values. If Franson played at the level he played this past season for the past two seasons, he could definitely get that kind of value, but I just don't see him fetching anywhere near that with his current body of work.

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Franson and Lombardi fetched Lebda and Slaney.

Cap dump scenario.
Franson wasn't established at the time.

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07-27-2013, 12:37 PM
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Yes, but all of those players had multiple full seasons of playing well before they got those kind of values. If Franson played at the level he played this past season for the past two seasons, he could definitely get that kind of value, but I just don't see him fetching anywhere near that with his current body of work.
Franson has 4 full seasons under his belt now. Same as those guys.

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07-27-2013, 12:38 PM
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Franson has 4 full seasons under his belt now. Same as those guys.
Yeah, but not playing at the level he played at this year. Why would a GM pay a premium for what could be a complete aberration?

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Yeah Clarkson isn't Lucic or Brown. But it's Nonis' fault, not his, if Franson has to go. Franson is replaceable, but he's also pretty decent. I'd rather keep him around than Gunnarsson, on account of age and upside.

Nonis should've bought out Liles instead of Komi.
If Nonis bought out Liles instead of Komi and Franson was still over pricing himself, then the Leafs would have to play Komi. No, the buyout was correct if Nonis saw this coming. Plus Liles is probably tradable whereas Komi isn't.

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Goligoski fetched Neal and Niskanen.

Johnson fetched Shattenkirk and Stewart.

Johnson and 1st for Carter.

Schenn fetched JVR.

You better believe the price will be high for Franson. Trading young established d-men is a PREMIUM in the NHL.
Lol acting like JVR is so awesome. Franson isnt half the player as some of those guys.

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Yeah, but not playing at the level he played at this year. Why would a GM pay a premium for what could be a complete aberration?
Some of those guys were traded after 2.5 seasons. E. Johnson and Goligoski.

There was risk when trading those guys back then.

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Franson isn't as good as any of those d though

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07-27-2013, 12:45 PM
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Franson isn't as good as any of those d though
Riiiight.

Remember when Schenn wasn't good enough to fetch JVR. OOPs.

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Great post Interactif.

Also looking at the UFA contracts of Horton, and Clowe, Clarksons deal seems fair. The only thing I personally don't like are the years, but I will reserve my judgement until he plays at least a game.

Gotta love these Hab fans telling us were screwed, what'd you guys do? Add another smurf to your collection?
Thanks.

Horton is getting 5.3 per for 7, and his health is highly questionable.

Clarkson just recently was given a chance by Pete Deboer to play a higher profile role, thus I think there is merit to that he has scored more goals than Horton, Lucic, and Dustin Brown have, given the same top 6 roles all these players play with their teams.

I am realistic when it comes to Clarkson, If Leafs fans are realistic also, I think a 20 goal top 6 fwd, with the game he brings will endear him to fans.

The comparables to Clowe, Brown, and Horton make him a very good signing. Not sure how Nonis got stiffed when you look at what those players got.

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Riiiight.

Remember when Schenn wasn't good enough to fetch JVR. OOPs.
And remember when we are a lot happier with Schenn than JVR? Schenn was better for us than he was at any point for you guys. You also probably think Phaneuf is a top 20 d-man

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If Franson is so great why doesn t Toronto just keep him. Apparently the leaf brass doesn t think he is worth the money he is asking and don t see him as a top 4 D in their line up. Neither should we then. Bottom pairing D don t command much. Not a first, that for sure.

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07-27-2013, 12:53 PM
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And remember when we are a lot happier with Schenn than JVR? Schenn was better for us than he was at any point for you guys. You also probably think Phaneuf is a top 20 d-man
And that's all I need to not take you seriously anymore.

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Riiiight.

Remember when Schenn wasn't good enough to fetch JVR. OOPs.
So are you saying you think any of the teams who currently have the 4 defensemen you listed would trade them for Franson 1 for 1?

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If Franson is so great why doesn t Toronto just keep him. Apparently the leaf brass doesn t think he is worth the money he is asking and don t see him as a top 4 D in their line up. Neither should we then. Bottom pairing D don t command much. Not a first, that for sure.
You are pretty clueless if you believe the Leafs don't want to keep him. Its called contract negotiations.

Remember back in the day when Bozak wanted 5M+ and Leafs were all but done with Bozak....3 weeks ago.

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But people will go on and on comparing Clarkson to other types of players not like him. Remember, he's a Leaf now and can't possibly be as good as anyone similar but not a Leaf and if the Leafs can't sign the great and irreplaceable number 1 defenseman Franson to a ridiculous overpriced contract, then it's all Clarksons fault.
How about Gunnarson. Not his fault? Or Liles bad contract?

Cap world, you pay your core players accordingly, the middle and lower end guys are replaceable.

If it wasn't for Carlyle, Franson may be playing in the FEL if Ron Wilson was still the coach.

Franson had a nice year, but he can be replaced. Maybe a team will overpay for him.

I will put my money on Morgan Rielly one day being a better player than Cody is. 10/10

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07-27-2013, 12:56 PM
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So are you saying you think any of the teams who currently have the 4 defensemen you listed would trade them for Franson 1 for 1?
Their value back then(they weren't well knowns when they were traded), to Franson's value now? Yes.

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And that's all I need to not take you seriously anymore.
Why are you acting like thats so subjective, its not. And his offensive ability, which isnt elite enough by itself to put him as a top 20 dman, doesnt bypass his defensive lapses constantly.

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Their value back then(they weren't well knowns when they were traded), to Franson's value now? Yes.
Not even close.

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