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07-28-2013, 07:54 PM
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I think the Leafs would love to be offersheeted on Franson.

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

We match/sign him for below the above. We get offersheeted for the above picks. We wait it out. Trade him for a big return.

Leafs win this all day everyday.
A $3.3 million offer sheet would actually be pretty painful. If you match that then you can't trade him and you have no cap space for Kadri.

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An offer-sheet from a top-end team wouldn't help the Leafs at all. The team needs bodies, not future picks that won't be ready for 6 or 7 years for roster players.

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An offer-sheet from a top-end team wouldn't help the Leafs at all. The team needs bodies, not future picks that won't be ready for 6 or 7 years for roster players.
So the only pieces to fill in for the hole left by Franson is the picks.

Franson isn't that important to the success to the Leafs.

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So the only pieces to fill in for the hole left by Franson is the picks.

Franson isn't that important to the success to the Leafs.
Im pretty sure your most productive d man is important for winning games down the stretch

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(...) That how arbitration works. He doesn't expect, or even think he's worth, $2mill. You add a little fat to your demands and let the arbitrator do the trimming. I don't think I've ever seen a player request their legitimate value in an arbitration hearing.
I hate this system and much prefer how it works in baseball : The team gives a number, the player gives a number and the panel can't split the difference.

It has to choose one or the other.

It keeps both sides honest.

PS: Each party doesn't know the number given by the other party. I can't recall the specific details but on at least one occasion, the player submitted a number lower than the team.

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07-28-2013, 08:12 PM
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Once Nonis signed Gunnarson, he must have know there was a strong possibility that he may need to trade Franson.

2nd + 4th/prospect is close to his value right now.

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A team needs to offersheet him 3.2m (4yrs) so the Leafs could match it.

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Im pretty sure your most productive d man is important for winning games down the stretch
You overrate him a bit. Until injuries he was a 5/6th defenseman.

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DO: Be aware that the CBA allows teams to walk away from rulings they don't like in certain circumstances.

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2013/07...-hearings.html


These "certain circumstances" being an award of $3.5+M.

By the way, that's how the Leafs got MacArthur as a FA.

The number was different under the previous CBA, MacArthur requested more than that floor number, the Trashers did not file a number (basically asking the adjudicator to accept MacArthur's number) and then walked away from the award...

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Once Nonis signed Gunnarson, he must have know there was a strong possibility that he may need to trade Franson.

2nd + 4th/prospect is close to his value right now.
Nope. That price is very mediocre and a player like Cody Franson will fetch a much higher return in a trade, or the Leafs simply don't have to trade him, letting him sit until he agrees to take a bridge contract.

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He cites the case of Mike Komisarek.

4.5M per.
When did Burkie become an adjudicator in arbitration hearings?

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I think the Leafs would love to be offersheeted on Franson.

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

We match/sign him for below the above. We get offersheeted for the above picks. We wait it out. Trade him for a big return.

Leafs win this all day everyday.
I think they can match a 3rd pick comp offersheet (1.68M), barely with squeezing the cap as tight as they can and cross their fingers they have no injuries, but it's doable.
I don't think they can match anything above 2M.
They actually be over the limit and would have to shed salary eventually.
Trade Liles you say? who is going to trade for somebody who was a healthy scratch for lot of the games when i can just go sign Whitney.

Liles is not tradeable in this market, not at 3.8M per for 3 years.
Even Fraser at 1.4M is not be tradeable and they cannot walk away from it.

Craig MacTavish about current trade market.
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The market for trades right now is very, very difficult, outside of Ryan and the odd one-for-one like Magnus Paajarvi for David Perron, with the St. Louis Blues looking to shave some payroll.. “It’s extremely soft. Most people like their teams right now. They’ve spent their money. Some are trying to shed guys payroll wise. Everybody has a different financial landscape. There’s lots of guys on the outside looking in (Ryan Whitney, Brenden Morrow, Douglas Murray, all UFAs). It’s a reflection of more supply than demand. There’s little liquidity in the market, not very many buyers,” said MacTavish.
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...s-untradeable/

Any smart GM would not offersheet him at 1st and 3rd, anything above 2M (2nd rd pick) and it'd be very difficult, if not impossible, for the Leafs to match, assuming they want to resign Kadri.

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An offer-sheet from a top-end team wouldn't help the Leafs at all. The team needs bodies, not future picks that won't be ready for 6 or 7 years for roster players.
It would allow us plenty of assets come trade deadline Think about it 2 1sts a 2nd and 2 3rds either we use those assets to make a big deal during the season or the draft or the farm system gets a HUGE boost

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07-28-2013, 08:32 PM
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Im pretty sure your most productive d man is important for winning games down the stretch
*in a half season

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Even tho we have to accept the arbitrators ruling on Fraser it doesnt mean we cant trade him afterwards.
I also think you numbers on Kadri are very high unless we sign him to a long term deal.
Right.

Kadri will get 2.8-3.2, Franson 2.0-2.4.

Some cap management will be necessary if they both get my high estimates, but it's doable.

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*in a half season
This seems to be a popular argument. Does this season simply not exist for purposes of evaluating player progression? People seem to think so, but those people are wrong.

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Um Vancouver has no money to spend on franson anyway
We have more to spend on him than the Leafs.

We have just over 4.3 and Tanev is an RFA, if we swapped them we could sign Franson (considering we have no one else left to sign)

But I wouldn't do it, would rather keep Tanev.

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Nope. That price is very mediocre and a player like Cody Franson will fetch a much higher return in a trade, or the Leafs simply don't have to trade him, letting him sit until he agrees to take a bridge contract.
No he's right, Franson hasn't proven much & the team acquiring him still has to negotiate a contract with him, and he is asking alot more than he is worth apparently.

Plus the Leafs are backed into a bit of a corner.

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Didn't NJ run with like 20/21 men most of the season when they signed Kovalchuk? I'm pretty sure they played games where they dressed like 18 guys.
Quick search of nhl.com reveals they played their first 2 games of 2010-2011 with a 20-men roster.

EDIT: I also recall Calgary playing a game a few years ago (2-4?) with a 19-men roster due to a cap crunch.

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Plus the Leafs are backed into a bit of a corner.
The Leafs are not backed into a corner.

Cody Franson is currently an RFA. The Leafs hold his rights and are under no pressure to sign him to a contract because of the depth they hold at that position:
  • Dion Phaneuf
  • Carl Gunnarsson
  • Jake Gardiner
  • Paul Ranger
  • Morgan Rielly
  • Korbinian Holzer
  • J.M. Liles
  • Mark Fraser

If the Cody Franson misses the beginning of the year due to his contract dispute, there are more than enough players who could fill in and do the job offensively and defensively. Although with him signed Toronto is looking at a very good group, but it won't be the end of the world if he isn't signed.

Let him sit until he comes off his outrageously high demands. The Leafs are under no pressure to deal him.

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A $3.3 million offer sheet would actually be pretty painful. If you match that then you can't trade him and you have no cap space for Kadri.
Id love to get Franson at 3.3M per.

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I think the Leafs would love to be offersheeted on Franson.

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd.

We match/sign him for below the above. We get offersheeted for the above picks. We wait it out. Trade him for a big return.

Leafs win this all day everyday.
For argument's sake, $3.35M would leave the Leafs with a tough decision.

But as said numerous times, I believe he will get $2.0-2.4M.

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Nope. That price is very mediocre and a player like Cody Franson will fetch a much higher return in a trade, or the Leafs simply don't have to trade him, letting him sit until he agrees to take a bridge contract.
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The Leafs are not backed into a corner.

Cody Franson is currently an RFA. The Leafs hold his rights and are under no pressure to sign him to a contract because of the depth they hold at that position:
  • Dion Phaneuf
  • Carl Gunnarsson
  • Jake Gardiner
  • Paul Ranger
  • Morgan Rielly
  • Korbinian Holzer
  • J.M. Liles
  • Mark Fraser

If the Cody Franson misses the beginning of the year due to his contract dispute, there are more than enough players who could fill in and do the job offensively and defensively. Although with him signed Toronto is looking at a very good group, but it won't be the end of the world if he isn't signed.

Let him sit until he comes off his outrageously high demands. The Leafs are under no pressure to deal him.
So if his absence can be so easily covered for by your current defensemen (Liles, Fraser, Holzer, and a zero NHL experience Rielly) then he probably isn't worth much more than a mediocre return.

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For argument's sake, $3.35M would leave the Leafs with a tough decision.

But as said numerous times, I believe he will get $2.0-2.4M.
Trade Liles, if not Liles(ie. no trade market), Gunnarsson.

Ranger Phanuef
Gardiner Franson
Fraser Granberg
Liles Brennan

Ranger(not as a top pair) but an upgrade on Kostka/Holzer.

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Trade Liles, if not Liles(ie. no trade market), Gunnarsson.

Ranger Phanuef
Gardiner Franson
Fraser Granberg
Liles Brennan

Ranger(not as a top pair) but an upgrade on Kostka/Holzer.
Seeing as we JUST signed him for 3 years, that won't be happening.

Liles could go. So could Kulemin.

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*in a half season
what kind of garbage argument is that? I said he was our most productive d last season and that is absolutely true, I swear, people just like to hear themselves talk around here

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