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08-07-2013, 06:16 PM
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Oh boy this isn't true at all. Our top 6 centers are arguably bottom 5 in the league, but our wingers are fantastic. That's the problem with picking up Selanne, is he would automatically have Ladd (2nd in ESP last year), Kane, and Wheeler in front of him on the wings. All three are 1st line wingers. We also picked up Setoguchi and would like to retain him past this year, which means he should play on the 2nd line with Kane. Setoguchi was under utilized on the Wild last year after they picked up Pominville he was pushed to the 3rd line.

So his role would be on the 3rd line likely with Scheifele and Frolik. We would likely use Selanne on the 1st PP since ours was dead last in the league last year. But Setoguchi is also penciled in on the 1st PP as well. Both have good right handed one-timers, something we don't have in our forwards.

So I don't see us offering him much more play time or role than you guys. 3rd line PP specialist who is the first to slide into the top 6 when an injury/scratch occurs.

As far as cost, we could easily afford him using the bonus cushion. $2.3 million left on regular cap, $3.6 bonus cushion.
So you're saying 1/2 of the top 6 is good, hence me saying the top 6 is a joke. Ladd and Wheeler had good years and need to repeat it in an 82 game season before I give them much credit. Kane and Wheeler were also minus players. Setoguchi has no business being on any NHL teams 2nd line. Little has decent chemistry with Ladd and Wheeler and that is the only reason why he's making the money he is. Then there's Jokinen...don't even get me started.

Only way the Jets even come close to making the playoffs this year is if Scheifele finally makes his way into the NHL and develops good chemistry with Kane. Gonna be way harder to score now that they are playing in a more defensive Western Conference.

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So you're saying 1/2 of the top 6 is good, hence me saying the top 6 is a joke. Ladd and Wheeler had good years and need to repeat it in an 82 game season before I give them much credit.
Ladd was second in the league in even strength points. His game improved dramatically last year, especially his shot. It wasn't a fluke. Wheeler has been improving quite a bit over the past 2 years, in fact he's 30th in the league for forwards point production in those two years after starting 2011 very cold.

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Playing with Jokinen in front of the worst starters in the league. They're also wingers. As soon as Wheeler went back with Ladd and Little, his +/- improved. Kane also played with a bad wrist and nerve problems in his leg. He was still on a 30 goal pace with bad linemates (including 5 point Antti Miettenen).

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Setoguchi has no business being on any NHL teams 2nd line.
I'm lost.... his stats and Selannes stats are nearly identical last year, so Selanne has no business being on a 2nd line either?

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Little has decent chemistry with Ladd and Wheeler and that is the only reason why he's making the money he is.
He's actually a better winger, potted 31 as a winger in his second year. He's definitely above average 2nd line C, or a good 1st line winger. Also consider the LLW line consistently matches against other teams top lines even at home and out chances them.

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Then there's Jokinen...don't even get me started.
Agreed, but statistically he had a bad year with bad luck. His team on ice shooting % was terrible as was his on ice save %. Odds are he won't be with us past this year, but odds are he will have a better year.

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Only way the Jets even come close to making the playoffs this year is if Scheifele finally makes his way into the NHL and develops good chemistry with Kane. Gonna be way harder to score now that they are playing in a more defensive Western Conference.
We were only eliminated from the playoffs in the last period of the last game, and ended 4 pts out. This with a lot of injuries to important players. Now take out guys like Antti "5 pts on the second line" Miettenen, Wellwood, Burmistrov, Antropov and replace them with Setoguchi, Frolik, Scheifele as well as Trouba on the back end. It's our middle 6 that holds us back, not our top 6.

The major question with the Jets isn't the forward group, it's actually goaltending.

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08-08-2013, 01:42 AM
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Ladd was second in the league in even strength points. His game improved dramatically last year, especially his shot. It wasn't a fluke. Wheeler has been improving quite a bit over the past 2 years, in fact he's 30th in the league for forwards point production in those two years after starting 2011 very cold.
I don't doubt their abilities. Ladd was the one driving the whole team towards the playoffs, he is one of the best 2 way players in the game I'd say. I just want them to have that drive, especially Wheeler with his new contract over an 82 game season.

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I'm lost.... his stats and Selannes stats are nearly identical last year, so Selanne has no business being on a 2nd line either?
Selanne had a terrible year, hence many people thinking he should retire. He is also 43 years old. Most of his points were also PP. So yes, if Selanne was to play like he did last year he should not be on the 2nd line.

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He's actually a better winger, potted 31 as a winger in his second year. He's definitely above average 2nd line C, or a good 1st line winger. Also consider the LLW line consistently matches against other teams top lines even at home and out chances them.
Agreed. They seem like the only line that knew how to get any offence going last year, also good defensively.

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Agreed, but statistically he had a bad year with bad luck. His team on ice shooting % was terrible as was his on ice save %. Odds are he won't be with us past this year, but odds are he will have a better year.
His year couldn't have gotten much worse. Hoping Scheifele takes his spot as 2C and develops some chemistry with Kane.

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We were only eliminated from the playoffs in the last period of the last game, and ended 4 pts out. This with a lot of injuries to important players. Now take out guys like Antti "5 pts on the second line" Miettenen, Wellwood, Burmistrov, Antropov and replace them with Setoguchi, Frolik, Scheifele as well as Trouba on the back end. It's our middle 6 that holds us back, not our top 6.

The major question with the Jets isn't the forward group, it's actually goaltending.
Like I said, they are my #2 team, I don't root for them to fail. That was just stuff I picked up from watching them last year. Did not like what Chevy has done in the offseason too much which is my biggest problem with the team. I agree goaltending is a big issue, Pavelec is out of position way too much and has to scramble to make ridiculous saves. Biggest challenge for the Jets next year is going to be playing in the Western Conference against bigger, more defensive teams.

BTW, sorry for going off topic a bit

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08-08-2013, 02:52 AM
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You know what? If Teemu chooses to go the Winnipeg, then that is his choice and good for him. But I am sick of Winnipeg fans and fans from other teams saying he should finish his career where he started it and how "magical" it would be. Why wouldn't it be "magical" for him to finish his career where he is the face of the organization; where he has played most of his career; where he holds almost all of the team's records; where he won the Stanley Cup; where is by far the favorite player of all time; where every year, the fans beg him to come back for one more year; and where he will be the first player to have his jersey retired?

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It's one thing to take a couple months off and think about it, but it should not stretch well into August, or beyond each year... that's too much. It's disrespectful to the team and the fans.
LOL. Murray has given him all the time to make his decision for many summers already. It's Teemu's career and making the decision to retire just doesn't come by snapping your fingers, especially if he feels he has still something to give for the game. He has been NHLer since 1992. It's a tough decision. Plus I don't see Teemu playing for another team, I don't think that will happen.


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Highly doubt Teemu goes to the Jets, though possible. If he goes anywhere other than the Ducks, I imagine it would be to Jokerit, and that would be only if he wanted to play in the Olympics so to stay in playing shape. And yes, I know that is a stretch.

Coming for another angle, his restaurant is opening soon-from a business standpoint he has said in interviews that he wants to be involved, not just in name. His kids go to school here in So Cal, and play hockey here as well. In addition, he loves to play golf here (and a lot of golf at that), hence no more tennis or running. Priorities change as you get older (for most people), so who knows, those may be factors as well.

It all comes down to minutes and how willing he is in taking a lessor role. If he wants to go somewhere else, that's fine, he's earned it. I thought the Ducks would have him signed by now-hope he comes back one more year.

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Selanne had a terrible year, hence many people thinking he should retire. He is also 43 years old. Most of his points were also PP. So yes, if Selanne was to play like he did last year he should not be on the 2nd line.
I'm not sure you understand the word "most"

17 ES points, 7 PP points

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[QUOTE=Ducks4life93;70034321]Highly doubt Teemu goes to the Jets, though possible. If he goes anywhere other than the Ducks, I imagine it would be to Jokerit, and that would be only if he wanted to play in the Olympics so to stay in playing shape. And yes, I know that is a stretch.

Coming for another angle, his restaurant is opening soon-from a business standpoint he has said in interviews that he wants to be involved, not just in name. His kids go to school here in So Cal, and play hockey here as well. In addition, he loves to play golf here (and a lot of golf at that), hence no more tennis or running. Priorities change as you get older (for most people), so who knows, those may be factors as well.

Ducks4Life93 is 100% on the ball. He said it all. I/M/O Teemu either retires or signs with the Ducks. I feel that the only reason for his possible singing is to stay in shape and play in the Olympics. Aside from that, he will retire.


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I'm not sure you understand the word "most"

17 ES points, 7 PP points
Whoops my bad! Really thought he had more PP

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my $0.02 - I want Teemu back, He was still top 6 on our team in scoring, is a great role model for our young players, puts people in seats at the Honda Center/sells merchandise. IMO the 2nd line right wing gig is his, he is a big enough man to see if he is being out played. Besides that this team probably won't have a normal 4-line system. We are going to be a higher offensive system. It is a strange place to be as a Ducks fan where we think a healthy but aging Selanne may not be wanted back on the team by some fans. We have a TON of awesome prospects in our system and I think the 14-15 season will be a huge break out year for them I just think it is early to put some prospects in without a fight for the job.

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You know what? If Teemu chooses to go the Winnipeg, then that is his choice and good for him. But I am sick of Winnipeg fans and fans from other teams saying he should finish his career where he started it and how "magical" it would be. Why wouldn't it be "magical" for him to finish his career where he is the face of the organization; where he has played most of his career; where he holds almost all of the team's records; where he won the Stanley Cup; where is by far the favorite player of all time; where every year, the fans beg him to come back for one more year; and where he will be the first player to have his jersey retired?
Fans of other teams, fine. But, why the hell would you be sick of Winnipeg fans talking about how "magical" it'd be? Wouldn't you expect them to have an extremely positive view of the chance of a Selanne return? I don't see why you'd begrudge them that dream. I think everyone's in agreement, the only way Selanne walks is if the Ducks aren't interested, or they offer him a role he's not interested in. I don't see where the bitterness is coming from.

Gretzky has an emotional connection to both the Kings and the oilers (Rangers possibly even, to a lesser extent). Bourque likely has affinity for both the Bruins and Avs organizations. Nieuwendyk is fondly remembered by both Stars and Flames fans (even the Leafs). No difference here. Regardless of what happens this season, Anaheim is Selanne's home and the Ducks are his franchise. No one can deny that. Some folks here sound like jealous, insecure, overprotective boyfriends.


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Huh? Does Gretzky have an emotional connection to Ducks? Because of his movie cameo?

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hardly, first of all he's a UFA, secondly Favre actually retired at one point, Selanne has never done so.

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Fans of other teams, fine. But, why the hell would you be sick of Winnipeg fans talking about how "magical" it'd be? Wouldn't you expect them to have an extremely positive view of the chance of a Selanne return? I don't see why you'd begrudge them that dream. I think everyone's in agreement, the only way Selanne walks is if the Ducks aren't interested, or they offer him a role he's not interested in. I don't see where the bitterness is coming .
I can feel however the hell I want to feel if it's ok with you, thank you very much. I'm not begrudging anyone anything. But I am sick and tired of hearing for the last two years, at every trade deadline, and every offseason during free agency, how Teemu NEEDS to go back HOME and how he HAS to finish his career as a Jet. It has nothing to do with bitterness or jealousy (what reason do I have to be jealous of Winnipeg???).

And why in the world would the Ducks have a special affinity to Gretzky?

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Fans of other teams, fine. But, why the hell would you be sick of Winnipeg fans talking about how "magical" it'd be? Wouldn't you expect them to have an extremely positive view of the chance of a Selanne return? I don't see why you'd begrudge them that dream. I think everyone's in agreement, the only way Selanne walks is if the Ducks aren't interested, or they offer him a role he's not interested in. I don't see where the bitterness is coming from.

Gretzky has an emotional connection to both the Kings and the Ducks (Rangers possibly even, to a lesser extent). Bourque likely has affinity for both the Bruins and Avs organizations. Nieuwendyk is fondly remembered by both Stars and Flames fans (even the Leafs). No difference here. Regardless of what happens this season, Anaheim is Selanne's home and the Ducks are his franchise. No one can deny that. Some folks here sound like jealous, insecure, overprotective boyfriends.
A number of your fellow Winnipeg fans have been rather vocal about how he is for some reason more special to them, and how he needs to end his career in a "real" hockey town where he's properly appreciated. A lot. Repeatedly. It's gotten obnoxious. And, to extend your analogy, they're acting like a jilted girlfriend who stalks her ex and regards every single possible thing he says as evidence he's coming back to her so life can be perfect again.

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I'm sure it would be a feel good thing for Teemu to play in Winnipeg. And it's cool that the fans are still so attached to him from over a decade ago. But like stated above, in some of these posts there's an air of superiority that kind of annoys. There's sometimes the implication that he "needs to finish his career in a real hockey market“

edit: the big difference is in tone. " It would be great if he came here" vs " he belongs here" or " we will appreciate him here"


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I can feel however the hell I want to feel if it's ok with you, thank you very much. I'm not begrudging anyone anything. But I am sick and tired of hearing for the last two years, at every trade deadline, and every offseason during free agency, how Teemu NEEDS to go back HOME and how he HAS to finish his career as a Jet. It has nothing to do with bitterness or jealousy (what reason do I have to be jealous of Winnipeg???).

And why in the world would the Ducks have a special affinity to Gretzky?
I would agree with this. The "Storybook Ending" thing has gotten old. Selanne's home is in Orange County in Coto de Caza not in Winnipeg.

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