HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Ottawa Senators
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2013 Offseason: UFAs, Trades, What's Next? | Part VIII

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-28-2013, 04:11 PM
  #51
Powdered Toast Man
Is he a ham?
 
Powdered Toast Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,632
vCash: 500
Michalek
Conacher
MacArthur
Greening

Morrow can provide leadership and hunger from the press box. Show all of them how to really eat a nacho plate.

Powdered Toast Man is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 04:16 PM
  #52
PoutineSp00nZ
Beat that $%^& Bryan
 
PoutineSp00nZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,165
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlssonlee View Post
He's a valuable a player with a ton of experience and he still has that hunger. He played hurt last season.

I still think we lack a bit of experience up front.
I think if the Sens bring in a forward it's a highly skilled guy that's a legitimate top 6 scoring threat. Morrow would just add to the log jam in the bottom 6. Experienced or not, there is no room for him on the Sens.

PoutineSp00nZ is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 04:24 PM
  #53
newerabegins
Registered User
 
newerabegins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,102
vCash: 500
We're very set. No way we're making a move IMO, unless it's to clear up space.

Spezza, Turris, Ryan, Michalek, MacArthur, Conacher, Zibanejad, Greening, Condra, Smith, Neil, Hoffman/O'Brien/Kassian/Pageau/Stone = 13 spots for 16 players.

Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch, Corvo, Phillips, Gryba, Borowiecki = 6 spots for 8 players.

We're starting to see more and more what Murray and co. are establishing as the core as opposed to two years ago.

newerabegins is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 04:47 PM
  #54
neutral zone trap13
Registered User
 
neutral zone trap13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
What would it take to get Jay Bo?

neutral zone trap13 is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 05:18 PM
  #55
FWIW88
Rookie User
 
FWIW88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 43
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlssonlee View Post
We don't need him.

I much rather go after Brunner or Brenden Morrow
On Brunner
Despite the offensive output, the Detroit Red Wings want nothing to do with bringing him back, as reported by Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News, which cited his "passivity and durability" as issues.

I like Brenden Morrow as well. I Like his style of play and his leadership. IMO, we could use him. This suggestion has been thrown around earlier in this thread to mixed reviews.

Grabovski could definitely help our lineup. I could see him get close to 60 pts as a 2nd line center on this team. He had 58 in 10/11 and 51 in 74 in 11/12. He definitely has skill, speed, creativity and guts. And I am not a leafs fan

FWIW88 is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 05:47 PM
  #56
Midas0
Only the best Scouts
 
Midas0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Peterborough, Ontari
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,741
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by neutral zone trap13 View Post
What would it take to get Jay Bo?
A new casino.

Midas0 is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 05:52 PM
  #57
ILLESToO
Forever red & black
 
ILLESToO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,906
vCash: 500
Reading about our players in every thread I sure hope Kassian stays the hell away from our line-up, absolutely no need for him, useless and very bad player

ILLESToO is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 05:59 PM
  #58
Roger NeilSens
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by praisealfie11 View Post
We're very set. No way we're making a move IMO, unless it's to clear up space.

Spezza, Turris, Ryan, Michalek, MacArthur, Conacher, Zibanejad, Greening, Condra, Smith, Neil, Hoffman/O'Brien/Kassian/Pageau/Stone = 13 spots for 16 players.

Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch, Corvo, Phillips, Gryba, Borowiecki = 6 spots for 8 players.

We're starting to see more and more what Murray and co. are establishing as the core as opposed to two years ago.
I agree, the current line up has the potential to be very strong. I think we should save our assets and see how things play out this year. Maybe pull a classic Murray second rounder at the trade deadline for some playoff depth.

Roger NeilSens is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 06:03 PM
  #59
FWIW88
Rookie User
 
FWIW88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 43
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laoghaire View Post
So does Matt Carkner and he's better defensively.
I think if the Sens put them both on the block that Cowen would fetch way more than Carkner. Cowen is going to be a stud defense-man in this league. Remember it takes more time to break in a D-Man. He has shown a lot of upside.

FWIW88 is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 06:10 PM
  #60
Laoghaire
Registered User
 
Laoghaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FWIW88 View Post
I think if the Sens put them both on the block that Cowen would fetch way more than Carkner. Cowen is going to be a stud defense-man in this league. Remember it takes more time to break in a D-Man. He has shown a lot of upside.
Of course Cowen is worth more as an asset. But in terms of on-ice performance, they are very close.

Contact values should reflect performance, not potential unless they include UFA years. Cowen is 4 years from UFA (I believe). This talk of a 3 million dollar deal for a guy who has barely proven he can play in the NHL is crazy.

Laoghaire is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 08:35 PM
  #61
Do Make Say Think
Soul & Onward
 
Do Make Say Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 18,917
vCash: 500
Now my memory could be off but I'm fairly confident that Cowen played considerably more minutes than Carkner last year.

We didn't retain Carkner because the Islanders offered him 3 years: we let him take the opportunity we weren't giving him

Do Make Say Think is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 09:23 PM
  #62
Stylizer1
BoomBapOriginalRap
 
Stylizer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,139
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD19 View Post
Reading about our players in every thread I sure hope Kassian stays the hell away from our line-up, absolutely no need for him, useless and very bad player
I can't wait for Kassian to beat down Parros.

Stylizer1 is offline  
Old
07-28-2013, 10:59 PM
  #63
thinkwild
Veni Vidi Toga
 
thinkwild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,298
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laoghaire View Post
Of course Cowen is worth more as an asset. But in terms of on-ice performance, they are very close.

Contract values should reflect performance, not potential unless they include UFA years. Cowen is 4 years from UFA (I believe). This talk of a 3 million dollar deal for a guy who has barely proven he can play in the NHL is crazy.
It would probably be fairer to say that contract values should reflect expected performance.

thinkwild is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 11:23 AM
  #64
Lenny the Lynx
Registered User
 
Lenny the Lynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,926
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laoghaire View Post
Of course Cowen is worth more as an asset. But in terms of on-ice performance, they are very close.

Contact values should reflect performance, not potential unless they include UFA years. Cowen is 4 years from UFA (I believe). This talk of a 3 million dollar deal for a guy who has barely proven he can play in the NHL is crazy.
In reality contract values reflect the market, even for an RFA.

I have no problem with Cowen getting 12M/4 years or something, I bet that will look like a bargain as soon as next year.

Lenny the Lynx is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 12:03 PM
  #65
Benny FTW
TurnSoonestToTheSea
 
Benny FTW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Kingston
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,272
vCash: 50
A 4 year contract would make Cowen a UFA at the end of it. No thanks.
A 2 year contract would make Cowen an RFA at the same time as Spezza, Ryan, Methot, Anderson, Zibanejad, MacArthur, Condra, Pageau, and Stone all need re-signing. No thanks.
A 3 year contract would be the perfect bridge contract before he signs an 8 year contract.

3 years @ 2.5mil

Benny FTW is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 04:46 PM
  #66
StefanW
Get well, Bryan
 
StefanW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,963
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny FTW View Post
A 4 year contract would make Cowen a UFA at the end of it. No thanks.
A 2 year contract would make Cowen an RFA at the same time as Spezza, Ryan, Methot, Anderson, Zibanejad, MacArthur, Condra, Pageau, and Stone all need re-signing. No thanks.
A 3 year contract would be the perfect bridge contract before he signs an 8 year contract.

3 years @ 2.5mil
I agree, but my guess is he is asking for 10 over 3 years. They will probably come down somewhere around 9, which is fine in my books.

StefanW is online now  
Old
07-29-2013, 06:43 PM
  #67
ErikKarlsson
The Best (per IOC)
 
ErikKarlsson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,215
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laoghaire View Post
Of course Cowen is worth more as an asset. But in terms of on-ice performance, they are very close.

Contact values should reflect performance, not potential unless they include UFA years. Cowen is 4 years from UFA (I believe). This talk of a 3 million dollar deal for a guy who has barely proven he can play in the NHL is crazy.
What hockey games have you been watching??

ErikKarlsson is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 09:21 PM
  #68
Holdurbreathe
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,785
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laoghaire View Post
Of course Cowen is worth more as an asset. But in terms of on-ice performance, they are very close.

Contact values should reflect performance, not potential unless they include UFA years. Cowen is 4 years from UFA (I believe). This talk of a 3 million dollar deal for a guy who has barely proven he can play in the NHL is crazy.
Only one word to describe this statement, nonsense.

Carkner isn't close to the talent of Cowen.

Maybe crazy but the Sens just paid Wiercoich $2M per for 3 years, Cowen is better than PW is now.

Holdurbreathe is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 09:30 PM
  #69
n0rthstar
Registered User
 
n0rthstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: westcoaster
Country: Canada
Posts: 485
vCash: 500
Like Grabo's style alot, was the only Leaf I cared for.

n0rthstar is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 09:39 PM
  #70
Senators65
Registered User
 
Senators65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 9,347
vCash: 500
It would be funny if we picked up graboviski. We would then have two former leafs on this team.

Senators65 is online now  
Old
07-29-2013, 09:44 PM
  #71
Deku Scrub
BOP
 
Deku Scrub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,035
vCash: 50
Do we even have enough money to ink Cowen and Grabo? What about dat team budget

Deku Scrub is online now  
Old
07-29-2013, 09:59 PM
  #72
n0rthstar
Registered User
 
n0rthstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: westcoaster
Country: Canada
Posts: 485
vCash: 500
a trade would have to be made obv, but it could happen, though its very unlikely.

n0rthstar is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 10:18 PM
  #73
Laoghaire
Registered User
 
Laoghaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkwild View Post
It would probably be fairer to say that contract values should reflect expected performance.
That is exactly it.

Potential matters but by and large this is representative of potential during the length of the contract.

Laoghaire is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 10:28 PM
  #74
Laoghaire
Registered User
 
Laoghaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,314
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdurbreathe View Post
Only one word to describe this statement, nonsense.

Carkner isn't close to the talent of Cowen.

Maybe crazy but the Sens just paid Wiercoich $2M per for 3 years, Cowen is better than PW is now.
Let's pick a random game from the last playoff series.


Cowen is directly responsible for the first two goals.

I totally get the potential for Cowen to be great but a guy who doesn't contribute that much offensively needs to be better defensively to warrant a the 5 year commitment at big money. You need a little bit more than big hits now and then.

Weirdcrotch, does what he's billed at. He's an offensive defenseman who was 12th (2nd amongst defensemen) in rookie scoring.

Laoghaire is offline  
Old
07-29-2013, 11:55 PM
  #75
Do Make Say Think
Soul & Onward
 
Do Make Say Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 18,917
vCash: 500
Cowen was absolutely terrible against Pittsburgh

That being said we definitely need a player like him

We also need him to be as good as he can be

Do Make Say Think is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:48 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.