Edmonton-Isles proposal(what's it take to get Scatch?)
I know Scatchard is a fan favourite but would u being willing to move him as you have Bates and Weimer who could fill his role as checking center and Mapletoft(in the future). Edmonton has a lot of depth on Lw and u have a plentitude of checking centers maybe we can work something out.give me a proposal add picks if u need to balance
Edm LW:
Salemelainen (soft hands, goal scorers touch and great speed)
Wright(good camp probably career 4th line defensively sound)
Rita(top prospect two-way player high offensive upside)
Smyth(u know him not really tradeable just showing depth)
York(take a little more than Scatch to move him out but good 2nd line
LW)
Isbister(just traded for him not likely to trade back)
Moreau(one of the best left wing checkers in the league)
Chimera(speedy put up 14 goals in 66 games played in his rookie yr.)
Pisani(jumped into checking role last yr +9 in plus minus)
Torres(ya just got him 2 I'm sure u remember)
I know Scatchard is a fan favourite but would u being willing to move him as you have Bates and Weimer who could fill his role as checking center and Mapletoft(in the future). Edmonton has a lot of depth on Lw and u have a plentitude of checking centers maybe we can work something out.give me a proposal add picks if u need to balance
Edm LW:
Salemelainen (soft hands, goal scorers touch and great speed)
Wright(good camp probably career 4th line defensively sound)
Rita(top prospect two-way player high offensive upside)
Smyth(u know him not really tradeable just showing depth)
York(take a little more than Scatch to move him out but good 2nd line
LW)
Isbister(just traded for him not likely to trade back)
Moreau(one of the best left wing checkers in the league)
Chimera(speedy put up 14 goals in 66 games played in his rookie yr.)
Pisani(jumped into checking role last yr +9 in plus minus)
Torres(ya just got him 2 I'm sure u remember)
Scatchard alone doesn't have enough trade value to fill the team's biggest need(1st line winger),so he'd be in a package if they dealt him.
Salemelainen-have skilled Weinhandl,Papineau,Nilsson,Chernyk.
Wright-Bergenheim,Mapletoft both fighting for 4th line spot.
Rita-Weinhandl,Papineau,Nilsson,Chernyk
Smyth-Nice to see him sign a club friendly deal to stay in Edm.
York-Saw him physically run out of gas by the end of the season as a ranger.Even ranger cheerleader L. Brooks wrote about how playing in the physical east wore York down.
Isbister-agreed it's unlikely MM wants him back.I read he's having a good camp.I hope it carries over into the season.
Moreau-have enough 3rd/4th liners.Not enough roster spots for kids.
Chimera-have enough 3rd/4th liners.Not enough roster spots for kids.
Pisani-don't know enough about him.
Torres-would love to have him back but the energetic Bergenheim's impressing in camp.He doesn't hit like Torres but has a good chance to grap the 4th line roster spot.
FacelessButcher
Smyth(u know him not really tradeable just showing depth)
Considering Kevin Lowe moved Anson Carter for a right wing who was coming off major knee problems and was struggling with the Rangers (Dvorak) and Cory Cross (a total free agent last dec) and included a defender Sather did not even sign (Pisa) why would the Isles not be able to get Smyth without including Scatchard. Why would Smyth not be available in March?
FacelessButcher
Smyth(u know him not really tradeable just showing depth)
Considering Kevin Lowe moved Anson Carter for a right wing who was coming off major knee problems and was struggling with the Rangers (Dvorak) and Cory Cross (a total free agent last dec) and included a defender Sather did not even sign (Pisa) why would the Isles not be able to get Smyth without including Scatchard. Why would Smyth not be available in March?
NYIsles1 I have to agree with Faceless Butcher that Lowe won't move Symth.
He was arbitration eligible and after Demitra got $6.5m from the arbitors,it's not a stretch to think that Smyth would have gotten anywhere from $4.5m/$5m..too much for the Oilers.Symth signed below market value to stay in Edmonton.What was it $3.5m/$3.6m a yr?It sends a lousy message to the fans and players to trade the team captain who's in his prime and shown that kind of loyalty.
and as for Carter,the Oilers thought he'd ask for $4m in arbitration this summer.I think most people were surprised that he signed for less then $3m a yr from the rangers.
NYIsles1 I have to agree with Faceless Butcher that Lowe won't move Symth.
He was arbitration eligible and after Demitra got $6.5m from the arbitors,it's not a stretch to think that Smyth would have gotten anywhere from $4.5m/$5m..too much for the Oilers.Symth signed below market value to stay in Edmonton.What was it $3.5m/$3.6m a yr?It sends a lousy message to the fans and players to trade the team captain who's in his prime and shown that kind of loyalty.
and as for Carter,the Oilers thought he'd ask for $4m in arbitration this summer.I think most people were surprised that he signed for less then $3m a yr from the rangers.
Smyth signed for $3.45 first year and 3.55+bonuses next year(no idea what the bonuses are) and Smyth's not our team captain but will be when we trade Jason Smith. York can handle the east he put up about 60 pts in New York and he and Smyth would make great 1st line LW's on the Isles but we are not parting for either. Can't see us making a trade then just thought I would ask as I think Scatchard is a great player and he always comes up when our two teams go into trade negotiations.
P.S. 4cupz I was not implying that Wiemer or Bates were as good as Scatchard just that they could potentially fill some of the gap that Scatchard would leave if he left. To NYIsles1 I don't know what ur really talking about but Smyth is not a free agent or a deadline deal come March he is a franchise player unlikely to be moved especially after signing under his value.
York can handle the east he put up about 60 pts in New York and he and Smyth would make great 1st line LW's on the Isles but we are not parting for either.
So York put up 60 pts for the rangers.That doesn't change the fact that he's a small player,who more then once ran out of gas by the end of the season playing in the east.
I'd hope the isles would have zero interest trading for York.
Isles need more offensive firepower (a potential gamebreaking top-six forward) to round out their team up front. Can't be too picky when looking for that talent, take it at any forward spot. Comrie fits that description. No he is not Pavel Bure, circa 1994, but he has produced at a very young age.
Scatchard/Timander/#4
Comrie
Assuming Comrie wants and gets $3M per season, Isles add approx. $500k to their payroll.
That's a talent upgrade for NYI, meanwhile Edmonton rids themselves of a their headache, add size at a position where it is lacking and depth on D, though Timander is not top-tier talent, admittedly. (timander must be included to make the $ exchange closer.) Isles can pick up a #7 dman via small trade or waiver draft.
I pull the trigger. Talent is too good to pass up. Scatchard is a solid contributor. He is not irreplacable and young, proven NHL scorers do not grow on trees. For those who say he is not proven: who do you want? Hedjuk? Gaborik?
As Yashin seems entrenched at center, Comrie take over second line with Peca moving to third (2b) line. Peca still see full-time on PP and PK, so his minutes remain exact same.
I don't know what ur really talking about but Smyth is not a free agent or a deadline deal come March he is a franchise player unlikely to be moved especially after signing under his value.
For the sake of the Oiler fans I hope Smyth stays in Edmonton. If they have to move another name player it's just bad for hockey. I think in the end Kevin Lowe will find a way also.
From your response you feel Jason Smith is leaving. I'm not sure what Edmonton can do to keep these players but they should do everything possible. I'm kind of surprised they traded for Isbister's contract and wondering if later on it forces them to reconsider Smyth's even though he was loyal and took less. Right now if I were a gm I would want Smyth with an inexpensive player as opposed to Izzy at 2m plus who has yet to really break out. If the Oilers left side is York, Smyth, Izzy and Torres. (most likely other lw's also)
Lowe is a good gm and he will figure out something that works for his team. He also does excellent playing Milbury and Sather off one another. Poti, Carter, Niinimaa, Hamrlik.
Considering his trends with the Rangers I think Jason Blake is the Islander he would want in return because it fits the York-Dvorak kind of player. (speed)
Comrie will be interesting to see how it plays out and again better for hockey if he stayed where he is. I would need to know more about Comrie and if he would fit here because at his age and what he will want. It's a big long-term commitment that does not solve the problems on the wing, but I know he is a center.
Does Peca want to become a third line (2b) center?
Isles need more offensive firepower (a potential gamebreaking top-six forward) to round out their team up front. Can't be too picky when looking for that talent, take it at any forward spot. Comrie fits that description. No he is not Pavel Bure, circa 1994, but he has produced at a very young age.
Scatchard/Timander/#4
Comrie
Assuming Comrie wants and gets $3M per season, Isles add approx. $500k to their payroll.
That's a talent upgrade for NYI, meanwhile Edmonton rids themselves of a their headache, add size at a position where it is lacking and depth on D, though Timander is not top-tier talent, admittedly. (timander must be included to make the $ exchange closer.) Isles can pick up a #7 dman via small trade or waiver draft.
I pull the trigger. Talent is too good to pass up. Scatchard is a solid contributor. He is not irreplacable and young, proven NHL scorers do not grow on trees. For those who say he is not proven: who do you want? Hedjuk? Gaborik?
As Yashin seems entrenched at center, Comrie take over second line with Peca moving to third (2b) line. Peca still see full-time on PP and PK, so his minutes remain exact same.
I am pretty sure Timander is going unprotected into the waiver draft so how about this for a counter proposal
I know Scatchard is a fan favourite but would u being willing to move him as you have Bates and Weimer who could fill his role as checking center and Mapletoft(in the future). Edmonton has a lot of depth on Lw and u have a plentitude of checking centers maybe we can work something out.give me a proposal add picks if u need to balance
Edm LW:
Salemelainen (soft hands, goal scorers touch and great speed)
Wright(good camp probably career 4th line defensively sound)
Rita(top prospect two-way player high offensive upside)
Smyth(u know him not really tradeable just showing depth)
York(take a little more than Scatch to move him out but good 2nd line
LW)
Isbister(just traded for him not likely to trade back)
Moreau(one of the best left wing checkers in the league)
Chimera(speedy put up 14 goals in 66 games played in his rookie yr.)
Pisani(jumped into checking role last yr +9 in plus minus)
Torres(ya just got him 2 I'm sure u remember)
Fine. IF you like Bates and Wiemer, you can have one, and we'll take Torres back.
I am pretty sure Timander is going unprotected into the waiver draft so how about this for a counter proposal
To NYI:
Mike Comrie
4th pick 2004
6th pick 2004
To Edm:
Dave Scatchard
Trent Hunter
3rd pick 2004
OK, let's get (more) silly for a minute.
Comrie
Smith
#4
Scatchard
Martinek
Hunter
Czerkawski or Timander.
Rationale: NYI attempts to fill two needs in one deal (Comrie, for reasons mentioned, and Smith gives the Isles a superb top 5, the best in the league, IMO, while adding grit, leadership). Oilers (you at least :p ) want Scatchard and Hunter, and you, too need depth on D, especially if Smith is moved. Czerkawski or Timander (if he clears waivers) must be added to the deal, in order to even out payroll exchange even slightly. Each makes $1M; your choice who you take. Oilers still pare salary in the deal.
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NYIsles1: I think Peca moving to the "third line" is purely semantics. As is, he lines up against the opposition's top centers most of the time. He could keep his linemates (although I'd prefer Weimer and Blake, two strong defensive players as well, on his flanks). And again, he will see same amount of time on special teams. And, best of all, Isles would have a lot of options on there other lines. If he had a problem with the "paper" move, he's not really looking to win and is not captain material.
Mike York is a very good, hard working hockey player.
Mike Peca ran out of gas for the last 25 games last year plus the playoffs. Should we trade him?
Sure, Larry Brooks is a very reliable source. Give me a break.
last yr Peca was physically drained at the end of the yr because of coming back too soon from shoulder and knee surgeries.
5'10 170-175 lb York being a hardworking player, doesn't change the fact that in consecutive seasons as a ranger,he limped into the end of the season,physical beaten up/drained.
I pointed out Brooks comments to show that even a ranger booster who was a York fan,had commented on this problem.
Give me a break
Rationale: NYI attempts to fill two needs in one deal (Comrie, for reasons mentioned, and Smith gives the Isles a superb top 5, the best in the league, IMO, while adding grit, leadership). Oilers (you at least :p ) want Scatchard and Hunter, and you, too need depth on D, especially if Smith is moved. Czerkawski or Timander (if he clears waivers) must be added to the deal, in order to even out payroll exchange even slightly. Each makes $1M; your choice who you take. Oilers still pare salary in the deal.
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NYIsles1: I think Peca moving to the "third line" is purely semantics. As is, he lines up against the opposition's top centers most of the time. He could keep his linemates (although I'd prefer Weimer and Blake, two strong defensive players as well, on his flanks). And again, he will see same amount of time on special teams. And, best of all, Isles would have a lot of options on there other lines. If he had a problem with the "paper" move, he's not really looking to win and is not captain material.
Well it has been speculated in papers that Lowe has offered Comrie(1.2-1.6mill) and the Comrie camp says their is about a million dollars seperating what he wants - what was offered, so lets say they meet in the middle(1.7-2.1mill) not a whole lot diff then salary given up from Hunter and Scatchard. But, for arguments sake lets say he gets exactly what he wants $2.6million. Scatchard makes $1.4million and Hunter not sure but lets say $0.4 million by these numbers u would be adding $0.8million at the most by taking Comrie on, which u don't want to do without dumping salary but we don't want Timander because we want to give some of our young d a chance and his salary is too much for a depth d-man. So if I was Lowe I would say expose Timander on the waiver draft who makes $1.2million and if he gets snatched which I am quite sure he will with some teams needing a vet d-man then we pull the trigger on the deal. So what I am saying is the deal is completely incumbent on whether or not Timander signs with a new team if he does u will have $0.4million extra in your budget + one Mike Comrie, if not screw the deal to the paper shredder it goes. Sound fair?
I know, I'll probably get blasted. But hey, I like Nilsson! You could probably put Rita/Chimera in there somewhere, but then I probably wouldn't do it from an Oiler POV.
I know, I'll probably get blasted. But hey, I like Nilsson! You could probably put Rita/Chimera in there somewhere, but then I probably wouldn't do it from an Oiler POV.
I know, I'll probably get blasted. But hey, I like Nilsson! You could probably put Rita/Chimera in there somewhere, but then I probably wouldn't do it from an Oiler POV.
Ah well, just one of my dream trades...
Fair, in terms of value.
Comrie doesn't fit the Isles need. We need a big physical winger with a scoring touch, not a smallish finese center.
Speeds(an Oiler fan I think),has posted on the main trade board that today's print edition of the Edmonton Journal is reporting a potential trade with Chi.
Speeds(an Oiler fan I think),has posted on the main trade board that today's print edition of the Edmonton Journal is reporting a potential trade with Chi.
Oilers would get Arnason.Hawks would get Comrie.
It doesn't say that would be the deal. It says there are many possibilities. There is also speculation from sports media in Alberta that potential deals are falling through because the Oilers are asking for too much. Arnason is far from too much. If that's the most the Oilers can get, why trade him at all?
Then again, I didn't think Niinimaa was going to get traded either.
It doesn't say that would be the deal. It says there are many possibilities. There is also speculation from sports media in Alberta that potential deals are falling through because the Oilers are asking for too much. Arnason is far from too much. If that's the most the Oilers can get, why trade him at all?
Then again, I didn't think Niinimaa was going to get traded either.
The only names mentioned in speeds post were Comrie's and Arnason's.
I went on the oiler board and found the postfrom Lowetide,the Oiler board moderator:
Today's Journal Camp Clipboard:
Oilers holdout Mike Comrie's agent, Rich Winter, won't talk about the specifics of his client's contract hassle with the Edmonton Oilers.
"Kevin and I have a confidentiality agreement. It's like book 6 of the Harry Potter series", says Winter. Comrie isn't asking for $3 million US a season, as people suggest. It's likely both parties will settle for $2 million a season.
If Lowe decides to trade Comrie, one possible destination is Chicago for center Tyler Arnason. He was in the running for ROY last season. Another player could be tossed in the deal or they could make the deal biggger by adding a second Oilers player.
Well it has been speculated in papers that Lowe has offered Comrie(1.2-1.6mill) and the Comrie camp says their is about a million dollars seperating what he wants - what was offered, so lets say they meet in the middle(1.7-2.1mill) not a whole lot diff then salary given up from Hunter and Scatchard.
Comrie
for
Scatchard
Hunter
Deal. Fair value for both teams.
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Simply a difference of opinion Darth, but the Isle "don't need" Comrie? I'll take superb young proven talent 8 days a week, and find room for it!
Likewise, I'll take grit/toughness over size. Isles have plenty sufficent grit, IMO; I'm yet to see them get out muscled or pushed around since the spring of '02. Put another way: Oleg Kvasha is big. Aaron Asham is tough. Only lightweights among NYI's forwards are Chow and Weinhandl and Papineau, and the latter two haven't really had sufficient time to prove otherwise. Everyone else has shown the ability to get their nose dirty (including Bates and even Kvasha though inconsistently).
Simply a difference of opinion Darth, but the Isle "don't need" Comrie? I'll take superb young proven talent 8 days a week, and find room for it!
Likewise, I'll take grit/toughness over size. Isles have plenty sufficent grit, IMO; I'm yet to see them get out muscled or pushed around since the spring of '02. Put another way: Oleg Kvasha is big. Aaron Asham is tough. Only lightweights among NYI's forwards are Chow and Weinhandl and Papineau, and the latter two haven't really had sufficient time to prove otherwise. Everyone else has shown the ability to get their nose dirty (including Bates and even Kvasha though inconsistently).
I think I liked the deal better with a 3rd pick coming our way and a 4th and 6th going yours but this is pretty fair I begrudgingly accept. Scatchard and Hunter add a LOT of size to Edmonton and Scatchard can be regularly counted on for about 20goals although he did score 27 last year (even more than Comrie). We also need him for a good face-off man and checking centre that we lost in Marchant over the summer so I think this deal will make Edmonton a better team.
I think I liked the deal better with a 3rd pick coming our way and a 4th and 6th going yours but this is pretty fair I begrudgingly accept. Scatchard and Hunter add a LOT of size to Edmonton and Scatchard can be regularly counted on for about 20goals although he did score 27 last year (even more than Comrie). We also need him for a good face-off man and checking centre that we lost in Marchant over the summer so I think this deal will make Edmonton a better team.
Give Scatchard 2nd line minutes and he will net you 20-25, which is fine in today's NHL. He is a poor man's Keith Primeau, at a much cheaper price. I'd hate to lose him, but I'd love to add Comrie.
