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06-21-2005, 06:55 PM
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Should we sign Forsberg?

If we dump a bit of salary (rumor is each team will be allowed to buyout two players), why not go after Pete?

From another post:

Thomas made some calculations over at 2m4b and he estimated this:

(04-05 salary)

C - Saku Koivu - $3,420,000* (4,500,000)
C - Mike Ribeiro - $1,250,000* (1,550,000)
C - Radek Bonk - $2,394,000
C - Steve Begin - $608,000

LW - Richard Zednik - $1,824,000
LW - Chris Higgins - $845,880
LW - Jan Bulis - $1,140,000* (1,500,000)
LW - Tomas Plekanec - $750,000*

RW - Michael Ryder - $1,250,000* (Same as Ribeiro)
RW - Alexander Perezhogin - $845,880
RW - Niklas Sundstrom - $988,000
RW - Jason Ward - $608,000* (Same as Begin)

D - Andrei Markov - 1,750,000* (2,300,000)
D -
D - Sheldon Souray - $2,128,000
D - Mike Komisarek - $1,000,000*
D - Craig Rivet - $2,660,000
D - Ron Hainsey - $575,000

G - Jose Theodore - $4,180,000* (5,500,000)
G - Cristobal Huet - $450,000

Total = $28,666,760

* are estimates.


Basically, we'd have 7-8 million $ to add missing pieces (D and/or winger) assuming the cap is 36 mil and GG wants to pay some of the rumored luxury tax.

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06-21-2005, 07:03 PM
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I'm a very big fan of Forsberg, but I would pass on him. He's starting to get injured fairly often, and there's always seems to be a possibility of him going to Sweden and staying there. As much as I would love him a Habs uni, I'd settle for one of our young guys or a different, cheaper, less injury prone UFA.

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I would make him an offer, but I highly doubt he would come here. He expressed his interest in re-signing with the Avs, or playing somewhere with Naslund.


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Forsberg
Koivu
Ribeiro
Bonk

Ribeiro on third line and Bonk on 4th line ? loll !

1st of all need trade Ribeiro for young d-man prospect and some money..

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Forsberg
Koivu
Ribeiro
Bonk

Ribeiro on third line and Bonk on 4th line ? loll !

1st of all need trade Ribeiro for young d-man prospect and some money..
I don't think Ribeiro matters if we can get Forsberg. Forsberg's agent just said he isn't sure that the Avs can afford him, so he might be on the market. But he's probably just playing games.

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He will likely sign with COL.

If he doesn`t, it will be due to them not offering enough $.

If that is the case, then we probably won`t be able to afford him. And even if we could (as someone mentioned above) he gets injured too often. We need stability with a guy as injury-prone as Koivu in the lineup.

Anyways, our priority on the UFA will be wing and D. No need for another C unless we wanna dump 11 or 71.

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He will likely sign with COL.

If he doesn`t, it will be due to them not offering enough $.

If that is the case, then we probably won`t be able to afford him. And even if we could (as someone mentioned above) he gets injured too often. We need stability with a guy as injury-prone as Koivu in the lineup.

Anyways, our priority on the UFA will be wing and D. No need for another C unless we wanna dump 11 or 71.
Agreed, I would also add the fact that dumping a 25 year old for an aging Forsberg would not be the smartest thing to do for years to come.... Not sure we will be active in the UFA market. I think that we may be active for trades on draft day and depending on the outcome we could be active on the UFA market but I have my doubts.

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The list only has 19 players so there's 4 missing to make a line-up of 23.

I love Forsberg of course and he would be great on Saku's left (he's played quite a few games on LW in the last few years). I wouldn't sign him for more than 1, maybe 2 years in case he continues to be injured all the time. Doesn't really matter because he's staying in Colorado IMO.

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I think there is no chance we sign Forsberg...

With Bonk under contract, we have 4 talended centers able to play on our 3 first lines... Koivu, Bonk, Plekanec and Ribeiro... I cant see Gainey getting rid of Ribs or Pleks for basically nothing in return.. Gainey is a patient guy, he will let our young players fight for spots... He will trade when needed.

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I think there is no chance we sign Forsberg...

With Bonk under contract, we have 4 talended centers able to play on our 3 first lines... Koivu, Bonk, Plekanec and Ribeiro... I cant see Gainey getting rid of Ribs or Pleks for basically nothing in return.. Gainey is a patient guy, he will let our young players fight for spots... He will trade when needed.
The kids will play when they're ready and both Higgins and Perezhogin can start the season in Hamilton if management thinks they need to dominate at that level before NHL duty.

Let's face it, we need a top 2 line winger to replace Kovalev if he isn't re-signed. I'd love to see Murray on the top line with Koivu. If the team can somehow sign Forsberg, which is highly unlikely, I think he can be that top-line winger we need.

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Id love too, but the question is, will he have any interest in signing with us?

Personally, i don't even think he would consider us........

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The list only has 19 players so there's 4 missing to make a line-up of 23.
Pretty sure there's no rule that says you must have 23 players on the club, you can go with 20 or 21 if you choose.

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With a reported $38 mil ceiling, no way Colorado can sign Forsberg. How? He is going to have to sign elsewhere. Why not Montreal?

Montreal, with a new CBA, suddenly becomes a very attractive place for a high priced UFA. With a big scorer up front and a solid D UFA, we're a cup contender if everything goes right.

You can't rebuild forever.

Gainey isn't beyond trading young players either. Remember, he traded Iginla to Calgary.

Thing is, Forsberg (aside from the health problems) is more of a playmaker and I think we need a scorer...

But if they lower the UFA age......Forsberg's on the market for reals.


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Again, what makes one think that we'll end up spending high luxury taxes? According to upper management, we needed to make the 3rd round with a $40-$45m payroll to turn a profit in 2003-04. Even if that was an exaggeration by Boivon to get tax breaks on the Bell Centre, you have to think that the Habs will be looking to make money in a new economic climate. A $30m payroll might be what we sit at for a while, especially since we won't be recieving revenue sharing dough as one of the top revenue generators in the NHL.

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Again, what makes one think that we'll end up spending high luxury taxes? According to upper management, we needed to make the 3rd round with a $40-$45m payroll to turn a profit in 2003-04. Even if that was an exaggeration by Boivon to get tax breaks on the Bell Centre, you have to think that the Habs will be looking to make money in a new economic climate. A $30m payroll might be what we sit at for a while, especially since we won't be recieving revenue sharing dough as one of the top revenue generators in the NHL.
I think Gillett can be convinced that the team can go a couple rounds in the playoffs and make back the money, especially with Gainey in charge. I think the new ceiling is gonna be late 30s tho, not 40s.

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I'd prefer having 40 games of Forsberg and flip a coin for a chance of having him in the playoffs than not having him at all.

Yes he's a gamble, but a gamble that could payoff HUGE

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I would really like to have him on the Habs but I think we should keep our money and sign a scoring winger and a big bruising defenseman.

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Just don't see Forsberg signing with us. And I don't buy into the idea that we will spend the max. under the cap.

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Originally Posted by Spooky371
Forsberg
Koivu
Ribeiro
Bonk

Ribeiro on third line and Bonk on 4th line ? loll !

1st of all need trade Ribeiro for young d-man prospect and some money..
i don't think that going for Forsberg is a good thing for the team since he's older than Koivu and is also injury prone. Sure it would be great to have a real star like him and it would be an improvement if he would centering the first line , but since it would be just for 1 or 2 years ...hum , i don't buy it !

But if you want to go for the short time and get Forsberg, than you have to trade Koivu who is more expensive,older and injury prone than Ribeiro.Ribs is a good second line center and is only 24-25 years old.But as i said , i prefer to keep Koivu as the first line center; I am also sure that with the comming of Perezhogin and Kasts, it could give a second breath to the career of Koivu

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To me Montreal has talent enough that we don't *need* Forsberg, what we need is someone who can put in 60 points AND play physically. We're only getting half of that with Forsberg, unless he starts using his size.

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To me Montreal has talent enough that we don't *need* Forsberg, what we need is someone who can put in 60 points AND play physically. We're only getting half of that with Forsberg, unless he starts using his size.
WHAT???

You've got to be kidding right? Forsberg is one of the most physical players in the NHL, especially considering that he isn't overly big. He's always in traffic, takes insane amounts of abuse and sacrifices his body at every chance to get or protect the puck.

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Again, what makes one think that we'll end up spending high luxury taxes? According to upper management, we needed to make the 3rd round with a $40-$45m payroll to turn a profit in 2003-04. Even if that was an exaggeration by Boivon to get tax breaks on the Bell Centre, you have to think that the Habs will be looking to make money in a new economic climate. A $30m payroll might be what we sit at for a while, especially since we won't be recieving revenue sharing dough as one of the top revenue generators in the NHL.
Exactly. Just because the cap lands at $36M or $39M or whatever, I don't think people should expect us to have a salary right at the cap maximum. Only teams that are currently over and trying to get down (e.g. Philly, Detroit, Toronto, those types) would be candidates to be right at the cap in season 1.

The team just lost $10M or whatever during the lockout. I'm sure they'd love to make a bit of that back too. If our current payroll is just about at $30M, then it might just stay there. Guys like Higgins, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Hossa will have a nice chance if that happens!

Taking that $28M figure, I could see buying out Rivet to bring us back down to $26M. Then we need to sign one or two serviceable defensemen. A bargain forward might be nice, since the market should be flooded and some players will really be left out in the cold and ready to sign for far far less than they want.

But, while the rest of the league goes through a summer of massive turnover and excitement, I could see the Habs being one of the quietest teams in the league... emphasis on resigning our own guys like Koivu, Theo, Ryder, then a bit of skimming over the leftovers after that.

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Originally Posted by Spooky371
Forsberg
Koivu
Ribeiro
Bonk

Ribeiro on third line and Bonk on 4th line ? loll !

1st of all need trade Ribeiro for young d-man prospect and some money..
First of ALL ???????
that's what we need to do????????????

We never had two decent centers in years but THAT'S the first thing to do?????

What for?
Money????????????????
I mean, are we in Edmonton now?

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To me Montreal has talent enough that we don't *need* Forsberg, what we need is someone who can put in 60 points AND play physically. We're only getting half of that with Forsberg, unless he starts using his size.
have you ever watched a hockey game involving Forsberg? The guy is way more physical than any current hab.

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