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07-30-2013, 08:54 AM
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looking to move up in dispersal draft (have 7th pick)

can offer alfredsson and quincey's ufa rights, and regular draft picks
omg yes ufa rights!

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**** yeah! 3rd overall in the league is a great achievement, and a first round bye is great. I would like to congratulate Produce on winning the Conference ahead of me.

BTW, if I were in the Conference 1, would you guys have voted me ahead of Pittsburgh? Be honest...


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Hartnell/Giroux/Jagr
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FORWARDS

(A) Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / (C) Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
(A) Andrew Ladd ($4.400m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.625m) / Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m)
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) /


DEFENSEMEN

Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Victor Hedman ($4.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.375m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Grant Clitsome ($2.067m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /


GOALTENDERS


Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
Michal Neuvirth ($1.250m—50.0%)


RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (2.916% of upper limit)
Brooks Orpik ($1.875m—50.0%)
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My goal was to better the Pens by getting them younger but also not sacrificing quality of talent. I believe i've done that, better than i could have ever hoped for.

Offensively, i made the blockbuster of the 1st offseason by dealing Malkin and Letang to TB for Stamkos and Hedman. If there is one player i feel would be an even better fit with Crosby, it's Stamkos. Why? He's the elite goal scorer in the NHL, is younger, and much more durable. Malkin has always been a creator first and scorer 2nd, much like Crosby. With Stamkos you have the ultimate pairing of creator and finisher in the world, on the same line. Oh, and you have another guy capable of being a 70 point player and ultimate heart and soul, do it all guy in Dupuis who already has tremendous chemistry with Crosby already. It's a line that would be incredibly difficult to slow down let alone stop over the course of a game or series.

Andrew Ladd-Lars Eller-Jakub Voracek. You'll be hard pressed to find a 2nd line with that much talent across the board. If you commit to pushing hard to stop the 1st line with your top defensive pairing, you leave yourself exposed to a line with 2 guys who are clearly 1st line players (Ladd and Voracek).

I'm happy with how i was able to upgrade my bottom 6 as well. Beau Bennett is a guy who will likely be on the 2nd line with Malkin and Neal in real life so having him on the 3rd line is a nice bonus here. He's a budding player. Jokinen is a really nice all a round player capable of scoring some, playing good D and winning faceoffs. Really a good 3rd line C option. Stempniak was on a near 60 point pace this past year....with Calgary. He's money as a 3rd line winger. Again, more talent than most 3rd lines you'll see.

Hockey Prospectus GVT rating has my new 4th line C, Tom Pyatt ranked 500+ spots better than the guy he replaced, Joe Vitale based on stats from this past year. Yes please

Defense coming up shortly........

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To be fairly honest eller is a #3 Center right now, if he keeps his stats up from this year then hes a #2

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To be fairly honest eller is a #3 Center right now, if he keeps his stats up from this year then hes a #2
#1, like you said, this past year he easily played like a #2....and secondly, he's playing with Ladd and Voracek, which is a pretty damn big upgrade what he was playing with in Montreal. I think he (and the line) would do very well together.

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****ING LOLING RIGHT NOW HOW DID I NOT FINISH LAST

Also this is ********.

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****ING LOLING RIGHT NOW HOW DID I NOT FINISH LAST

Also this is ********.
You had subban and price Washington had nothing, You where in an easy conference is why you beat Calgary and Nashville doesnt have ****.

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Vitale should have been pittsburgh's 2C

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I really like Pittsburgh's offense, but their D and goaltending leave something to be desired. They aren't bad so to speak, but not up to the level of other contenders.

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I really like Pittsburgh's offense, but their D and goaltending leave something to be desired. They aren't bad so to speak, but not up to the level of other contenders.
i agree, Voukoun did great against Ottawa and islanders but when they faced a real contender in boston he sucked. And defence... nuff said on how bad it looks..

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Well you're not going to have that for long are you?

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2013-2014 Anaheim Ducks



FORWARDS

Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($8.250m) / Corey Perry ($8.625m)
Thomas Vanek ($3.571m—50.0%) / Travis Zajac ($5.750m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.138m—50.0%)
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Cam Fowler ($4.000m) / Roman Josi ($2.000m—50.0%)
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i agree, Voukoun did great against Ottawa and islanders but when they faced a real contender in boston he sucked. And defence... nuff said on how bad it looks..
http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...7/tomas-vokoun

Sucked? He had 1 bad game outta 4 and was superb in the other 2. Don't blame Vokoun for being swept by Boston. Pittsburgh scored 2 damn goals in 4 games. His postseason was tremendous by the numbers and the fact he saved us from being out in round 1.

http://www.puckprospectus.com/sortable/

And i simply don't understand calling my defense bad. In fact it's insulting. Paul Martin ranks 89th overall from this past season in GVT rating, which was higher than plenty of more highly thought of defenders (Drew Doughty for one). I'm not saying Martin is superior, but based on this past year, yeah he played just as well if not better. Hedman isn't near finished blooming and is already a legit #2 and future #1. Martin brings all around game and can easily QB a PP and Hedman is a shutdown player with still blooming offense.

Scuderi is one of the better defensive dman in the game. Sure he doesn't give you any offense but why do i need it from his spot? I don't. I need guys who can play reliable positional defense and not make stupid decisions. Despres (1st rd pick and 7.5B rating) is one of the brighter young defensemen in the league. Bylsma is notorious for holding young guys back and yet he was still a +9 with 7 points in 33 games (as a 3rd paring guy). He's easily a #3/4 type heading into 13-14 and is not out of place being there given what he showed us this past year. He's a 25-30 point player with 2nd pairing minutes and a guy who will be on the + side of things year in and year out.

Clistome is a MAJOR upgrade over Orpik. Don't believe me? Again, looking at some of the more in depth statistical ratings out there like the one above. Clistome is ranked 121st overall (among all players, not just D) and Orpike who i traded straight up for ranks 328. Clistome is reliable in D and actually has some offensive prowess to his game. Is younger and cheaper than Orpik. Niskanen as a 6th is fine. He's not a world beater but isnt out of place there and most teams aren't putting out some insanely talented player. And he's easily interchangable with Engelland or Scott Harrington or Nathan Bealieu (an 8.0 prospect, who very likely is going to be in Niskanen's spot anyway)


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http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelo...7/tomas-vokoun

Sucked? He had 1 bad game outta 4 and was superb in the other 2. Don't blame Vokoun for being swept by Boston. Pittsburgh scored 2 damn goals in 4 games. His postseason was tremendous by the numbers and the fact he saved us from being out in round 1.

http://www.puckprospectus.com/sortable/

And i simply don't understand calling my defense bad. In fact it's insulting. Paul Martin ranks 89th overall from this past season in GVT rating, which was higher than plenty of more highly thought of defenders (Drew Doughty for one). I'm not saying Martin is superior, but based on this past year, yeah he played just as well if not better. Hedman isn't near finished blooming and is already a legit #2 and future #1. Martin brings all around game and can easily QB a PP and Hedman is a shutdown player with still blooming offense.

Scuderi is one of the better defensive dman in the game. Sure he doesn't give you any offense but why do i need it from his spot? I don't. I need guys who can play reliable positional defense and not make stupid decisions. Despres (1st rd pick and 7.5B rating) is one of the brighter young defensemen in the league. Bylsma is notorious for holding young guys back and yet he was still a +9 with 7 points in 33 games (as a 3rd paring guy). He's easily a #3/4 type heading into 13-14 and is not out of place being there given what he showed us this past year. He's a 25-30 point player with 2nd pairing minutes and a guy who will be on the + side of things year in and year out.

Clistome is a MAJOR upgrade over Orpik. Don't believe me? Again, looking at some of the more in depth statistical ratings out there like the one above. Clistome is ranked 121st overall (among all players, not just D) and Orpike who i traded straight up for ranks 328. Clistome is reliable in D and actually has some offensive prowess to his game. Is younger and cheaper than Orpik. Niskanen as a 6th is fine. He's not a world beater but isnt out of place there and most teams aren't putting out some insanely talented player. And he's easily interchangable with Engelland or Scott Harrington or Nathan Bealieu (an 8.0 prospect, who very likely is going to be in Niskanen's spot anyway)
its not terrible just not the best, and vokoun isnt a starter.

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its not terrible just not the best, and vokoun isnt a starter.
Vokoun isn't if you're asking him to start 60+ games, but that's why i brought in Neuvirth who has solid starting credentials to platoon him. I'd say like a 50-32 type split. Keeps both guys fresh. This past year proves Vokoun is plenty capable of being a winning playoff goalie. Low 2's GAA and Save% past .930. And plus we're not talking about a season, we're talking about a 1 game or 7 game series type matchup. Based on current form from most recent performances Vokoun is def a starter IMO.

The defense is improved with what i started with and i don't have to worry about Fleury being a revolving door in net with his horrendous playoff track record and .02 head.

It's all good. I had a blast and look forwared to the rest of the voting and dispersal draft. Just pointing out why i think i can win the SC

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Vokoun isn't if you're asking him to start 60+ games, but that's why i brought in Neuvirth who has solid starting credentials to platoon him. I'd say like a 50-32 type split. Keeps both guys fresh. This past year proves Vokoun is plenty capable of being a winning playoff goalie. Low 2's GAA and Save% past .930. And plus we're not talking about a season, we're talking about a 1 game or 7 game series type matchup. Based on current form from most recent performances Vokoun is def a starter IMO.

The defense is improved with what i started with and i don't have to worry about Fleury being a revolving door in net with his horrendous playoff track record and .02 head.

It's all good. I had a blast and look forwared to the rest of the voting and dispersal draft. Just pointing out why i think i can win the SC
i definitely seeing you being a top team, but i dont know if you can beat Produce/JI123

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Zach Parise ($7.538m) / Mikko Koivu ($6.750m) / Alexander Semin ($3.500m—50.0%)
Charlie Coyle ($0.975m) / Derek Roy ($2.000m—50.0%) / Jason Pominville ($4.505m)
Brendan Morrow ($2.500m) / Brad Richards ($3.333m—50.0%) / Kyle Brodziak ($2.833m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Matt Halischuk ($0.650m)
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Ryan Suter ($7.538m) / Dan Girardi ($1.663m—50.0%)
John Carlson ($3.967m) / Andrew MacDonald ($0.550m)
Andrej Meszaros ($2.800m—30.0%) / Sami Salo ($1.875m—50.0%)
GOALTENDERS
Niklas Backstrom ($3.417m)
Anton Khudobin ($0.800m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (5.832% of upper limit)
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We feel we built a very strong team for the playoffs. For some of the more hated or less known players heres somethings ot put in mind:


Parise - Koivu - Semin, this is a perfect line that combines Parise A star LW Who can score and setup plays and is easily a 70 point player, Koivu a #1 Center i can't say much about besides hes a 60 point center who can help the 3rd peice Semin score, Koivu and parise could pass to semin and he can snipe it top shelf.

Coyle - Roy - Pomminville, i did this change from richards for a couple reasons! Roy we feel is better because richards is unfairly hated upon and we realized Roy is re-united with Pommer, Roy has his best years in Buffalo hitting 80+ points on the line with Pommer and they could light it up while teaching coyle development. Coyle is a future top 6 liner or should i say already a top 6 player playing the 2nd line this year for Minnesota.

Morrow - Richards - Brodziak, i feel this is a line that is unfairly hated upon. Morrow did great in Pittsburgh i forget who he played with but i think he honestly played with Sutter. Richards is still a top 6 center and can get 60 points and will come back with a great season im guessing and he is playing 3rd line. Brodziak got a 40+ Point season 2 years back and has shown he can be a great 3rd liner.

Rinaldo - Talbot - Halischuk, This is a great 4th line we have a Grinder, Good 3rd/4th line tweener center in talbot who can win face offs and get goals as well as Halischuk a good Two way forward.

Suter - Girardi, Suter was robbed from the Norris trophy by Subban according to many which means he should've been the best defenceman last year falling short by only 36 points i believe. and he has a great partner in Girardi, There both players who can play great Defense and help players score.

Carlson - Macdonald, Carlson is a great offensive defenceman who is very very fast and can pitch in offensively, Macdonald a great ##4 Defensive defense man can stay behind and play defense while carlson works magic.

Meszaros - Salo, 2 #4 defenceman on the bottom pairing is great, Meszaros and salo can play good defense and offense and they have veteran experience!

Backstrom - Backstrom isn't your Jonathan quick, he isn't Henrik Lundqvist but he is a starting goalie, His whole career in the NHL he's finished the regular season with a SV% above 0.900 and his worst GAA was 2.72 but that was only in 09-10, He is a goalie who will only let 2-3 goals past him and with this defense core i seriously think he will only let 1-2 goals past him, and i can see our offense scoreing 2+ Goals a game.

Khubodin - Khubodin was a great backup last year in Boston and could come in if anything ever happened to Backstrom however there usually is no injuries unless theres a case like Progner.
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i definitely seeing you being a top team, but i dont know if you can beat Produce/JI123
I don't see the love for Vancouver. His team is largely unchanged from real life and frankly what has Vancover done in real life? Nothing. Luongo is far from stable these days. His offense is not deep.

http://www.puckprospectus.com/sortable/

Look where my first line ranks. Stamkos, Crosby, Dupuis compared to his top line. 7th, 19th, 25th compared to Sedin (36), Sedin (68) for reference. Eller is 72 for reference and is my 2nd line C.

Hell my 2nd line players rank significantly higher. Ladd ranks higher than anyone on his offense at 26th overall. Voracek is 41st, just behind his top player.

His next best offensive player after Daniel Sedin? Jannik Hensen at 162. Burrows is even further down.

Now Hamhuis and Garrison are ranked very well (52) and (88) but after that he's got nothing special. Edler is 273 and is on his top pairing. Really? Beiksa is 200 something.

Clitsome is 121 and is my 3rd pairing #5 dman.

Granted that's one rating system but a few others that i like to use for in depth stats, aren't far off.

I like JI's team more than anyone (other than my own team of course).

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I don't see the love for Vancouver. His team is largely unchanged from real life and frankly what has Vancover done in real life? Nothing. Luongo is far from stable these days. His offense is not deep.

http://www.puckprospectus.com/sortable/

Look where my first line ranks. Stamkos, Crosby, Dupuis compared to his top line. 7th, 19th, 25th compared to Sedin (36), Sedin (68) for reference. Eller is 72 for reference and is my 2nd line C.

Hell my 2nd line players rank significantly higher. Ladd ranks higher than anyone on his offense at 26th overall. Voracek is 41st, just behind his top player.

His next best offensive player after Daniel Sedin? Jannik Hensen at 162. Burrows is even further down.

Now Hamhuis and Garrison are ranked very well (52) and (88) but after that he's got nothing special. Edler is 273 and is on his top pairing. Really? Beiksa is 200 something.

Clitsome is 121 and is my 3rd pairing #5 dman.

Granted that's one rating system but a few others that i like to use for in depth stats, aren't far off.

I like JI's team more than anyone (other than my own team of course).
I agree JI's team is probably the top dog, Produce made a strong team on paper but i don't think people look into what happens IRL Per example Vancouver, he's added some good defenceman though and some key components per example Steve Ott. He didnt change much but what he did change where good changes and i still see him being easily a top 5 team

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