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Fedor Tyutin to the Leafs

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08-02-2013, 10:50 AM
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Fedor Tyutin to the Leafs

My rationale behind this:

1. The Leafs need a good, #2 defenseman to put beside Phaneuf. I think that Tyutin would complement Dion fairly well.

2. The Blue Jackets could afford to trade him; with Johnson, Wisniewski, and Nikitin, that's a very solid top 3 - The Leafs could send back a top-4 defenseman the other way (i.e. Franson, who fits in with their youngish age-bracket).

My proposal would be:

Franson + prospect + 2nd round pick

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Tyutin


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08-02-2013, 10:53 AM
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I don't see the Blue Jackets wanting Franson in return for him.

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This will not end well.

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My rationale behind this:

1. The Leafs need a good, #2 defenseman to put beside Phaneuf. I think that Tyutin would complement Dion fairly well.

2. The Blue Jackets could afford to trade him; with Johnson, Wisniewski, and Nikitin, that's a very solid top 3 - The Leafs could send back a top-4 defenseman the other way (i.e. Franson, who fits in with their youngish age-bracket).

My proposal would be:

Franson + a b-level prospect (Ashton or Colborne)

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Tyutin
We'd be better off keeping Tyutin.

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08-02-2013, 10:57 AM
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BJs aren't looking to downgrade on D I'm guessing. They are looking to make the playoffs this year. They need Fedor or better.

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08-02-2013, 10:59 AM
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Altered the proposal. Added in a pick, because CBJ loves his drafting

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Altered the proposal. Added in a pick, because CBJ loves his drafting
Value wise needs wise I don't think this helps CBJ much.

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Altered the proposal. Added in a pick, because CBJ loves his drafting
The perma-rebuild that the CBJ have been in for most of their existence seems to be over.

Maybe if the Jackets fall apart this deal is doable at the trade deadline. But now? It makes the Blue Jackets worse at the present. Not the direction the team is going in at the moment.

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Not sure there is a fit for this one for both teams.

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Fair enough. Thank you for the good, polite responses

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I think the updated proposal is actually a bit of an overpayment depending on the prospect

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I think the updated proposal is actually a bit of an overpayment depending on the prospect
Franson is obviously "flashier", but Tyutin is one of those really underrated defensive d-man that never get the credit they should. If I'm JK and I'm expecting my team to compete for a P/O spot this year, there is no way in hell I'm making that deal.

This just reminds me a little of the "Value of Methot" thread recently. Teams just value these guys much higher than their stats would suggest. And to preemptively rebut the "But the Jackets traded Methot", it was because they had a huge glut on the blueline and needed what Foligno brings to the table.

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I think the updated proposal is actually a bit of an overpayment depending on the prospect
Franson might be an acceptable substitute if we were planning on trading Wisniewski (he'd be a fine replacement triggerman on the PP - he'd certainly hit the net more often! ), or maybe Nikitin (who will occasionally take on that role), but otherwise that's about it - and Wiz works VERY well with JMFJ (think Richards-Carter bromance level), so we'd likely be better off not prematurely moving him.

JMFJ takes the hard minutes on special teams, but Tyutin has 'em 5-on-5. That's not something we can casually throw away. Trying to slot Franson into that role would be an unmitigated disaster. (And besides, Tyutin keeps all his fellow countrymen in check. )

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This just reminds me a little of the "Value of Methot" thread recently. Teams just value these guys much higher than their stats would suggest. And to preemptively rebut the "But the Jackets traded Methot", it was because they had a huge glut on the blueline and needed what Foligno brings to the table.
Or, differently put, we could trade Methot because we had Tyutin.

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This trade would leave the Leafs with about 300k of cap space left to sign Kadri.

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This trade would leave the Leafs with about 300k of cap space left to sign Kadri.
Good thing it's still the offseason.

And Liles is probably going to be bought out this week

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Johnson, Wisniewski and Tyutin would make a decent top 3(lacking a dominant #1 but making up for it by committee). Tyutin-Nikitin pairing wasn't nearly as effective last year.

As has been said before, there isnt much point for Columbus to downgrade here.

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My proposal would be:

Franson + prospect + 2nd round pick

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Tyutin
You've look at Toronto's cap situation right?! They can't take on Tyutin's salary without some going the other way.

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08-02-2013, 01:31 PM
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I'd really like Tyutin on the Leafs but if the Blue Jackets were looking for a futures type package I'd expect a team that needs an upgrade on D that has lots of very good young talent (and/or a top prospect pool) like the Oilers, Lightning, Islanders, Carolina to easily put together a better offer then the one proposed by the OP.

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You've look at Toronto's cap situation right?! They can't take on Tyutin's salary without some going the other way.
But it's he off season bro, you can go 10% over the cap! Sarcasm aside, Leafs fans seem to think that going over the cap in the off season is perfectly fine, but they fail to take into account that because you can only hide $925k in the minors from a contract that it's nearly impossible to get under the cap again once you're over.

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Move a top 2 d-man for a top 4 d-man? Columbus had needs, downgrading their defense isn't one of them. I too think Tytutin would be involved in a trade due to Johnson, Wisniewski, Murray and Nikitin (though he is perfectly fine as a #5) likely having spots, and some solid prospects. However, if they move him, it would likely be as part of a package or 1 for 1 of a forward they can build around.

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Move a top 2 d-man for a top 4 d-man? Columbus had needs, downgrading their defense isn't one of them. I too think Tytutin would be involved in a trade due to Johnson, Wisniewski, Murray and Nikitin (though he is perfectly fine as a #5) likely having spots, and some solid prospects. However, if they move him, it would likely be as part of a package or 1 for 1 of a forward they can build around.
Tyutin's something of a team leader - we have a running ha-ha-only-serious joke that he's why we can get away with having so many Russians on the roster. So we'd be inclined to keep him regardless.

Besides, why replace when you can add? To heck with just shutting down primary scoring, let's shut down secondary, tertiary, and quaternary scoring as well. **** ALL y'all's offenses.

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As a CBJ fan I would trade almost any asset on the team before I trade Fedor. He has been a constant for us in an otherwise sea of change.

Now for the right player sure, but not close IMO

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Tyutin is a very important part of the team at the moment. Until Murray or somebody else eclipses him, he is our 2nd best defenseman behind Johnson and provides stability defensively as well as pitching in points from the blueline.

He could be moved at some point, but likely not for futures or defensive depth. The key to getting Fedor Tyutin is to be willing to trade a top-line forward. Toronto doesn't have very many of those.

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Columbus is going in the right direction.. From here it's all UP.

For them to start messing with core players that have worked all along, would just be dumb..

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Tyutin is better than Phaneuf just to start with. No way CBJ should trade him, unless the well known "massive overpayment".

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